why not switch to usenet?

[Snarkyone]

Just as you say torrent users could live without torrents if they were to switch to usenet, usenet users could just as easily live without usenet if they were to switch to torrents.

As for usenet having more content available, I suppose so if you also count the unknown numbers of just plain garbage that is there as well. I have never had to search through more than a few torrent sites to find ANYTHING I want, ever. If you go the torrent route you don't just use one or two sites, you have a handful of them according to your needs, so your not searching hundreds of trackers or even a dozen. I always get what I want within minutes. In the last year alone I have downloaded and shared over 15 TB of good files not garbage, on just 2 sites, so others have also benefited from my use of torrents. I would not call that a waste of time, and I doubt the people that got the files from me didn't think so either. I doubt that most usenet users have come within spitting distance of that much traffic.

Like I said before, both have their advantages it's all relative and I don't draw the distinction between the two really when one word covers both users: Pirates. The internet is a pretty damn big sea, certainly big enough for us all to dip our beaks and enjoy it no matter how we do it. Saying one is better than the other is like saying that Baptist is better than Catholic.

[saulin]

Just as you say torrent users could live without torrents if they were to switch to usenet, usenet users could just as easily live without usenet if they were to switch to torrents.

As for usenet having more content available, I suppose so if you also count the unknown numbers of just plain garbage that is there as well. I have never had to search through more than a few torrent sites to find ANYTHING I want, ever. If you go the torrent route you don't just use one or two sites, you have a handful of them according to your needs, so your not searching hundreds of trackers or even a dozen. I always get what I want within minutes. In the last year alone I have downloaded and shared over 15 TB of good files not garbage, on just 2 sites, so others have also benefited from my use of torrents. I would not call that a waste of time, and I doubt the people that got the files from me didn't think so either. I doubt that most usenet users have come within spitting distance of that much traffic.

Like I said before, both have their advantages it's all relative and I don't draw the distinction between the two really when one word covers both users: Pirates. The internet is a pretty damn big sea, certainly big enough for us all to dip our beaks and enjoy it no matter how we do it. Saying one is better than the other is like saying that Baptist is better than Catholic.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Let's just talk regular scene releases which most trackers have. Now imagine having access to 250 days of those releases. And you are talking about usenet traffic? lol Usenet gets the most traffic. Just think about everything that gets uploaded to usenet daily. if you can't find stuff on usenet well then you really don't know what you are doing because like I said. It's very simple.

I have had to go through mmmm 20 torrent sites looking for a movie for example and I have had to get it, either on Usenet or a warez forum. That's why I switched because I found that BT was a waste of my time. Now I really don't use torrent sites. Unless I'm looking for something that I know it would only be in a tracker like Underground-Gamer or Pleasuredome etc...

Not only that. You must leave your client seeding, you have to use your bandwidth till you have met the seeding requierements for that tracker. Where you could have been using your bandwidth for gaming or using your system resources for something else. Seriously, you are not done with your download till you have seeded back what you need to.

Oh yeah by your post I can tell that you really have no idea of the amount of content that usenet has lol. Just think about this. A music tracker has what mmmm like 160,000 torrents. A General tracker may have over 20,000 torrents and remember that tracker's really won't have everything that was uploaded months ago. Basically just the newer stuff and the really popular stuff that still gets hits. On the other hand usenet gets everything released on the scene and it stays there a really long time. That's not counting what a ot of forums release on usenet with non scene names.

[puckface]

When I checked Karagarga's content like 8 months ago there was not a movie I recognized. It made me wonder who really needs this tracker.

Really? Just because a movie doesnt star Russel Crowe or Will Smith and isnt whored out by Hollywood doesn't mean its not a good film.

Holy shit I never cease to be amazed.

[Snarkyone]

Saulin,
Do you bother to read the thread and you ask me if I know what I am talking about? I have already stated many of these things earlier. You missed the fact that with the proliferation of no ratio sites your argument concerning maintaining ratio is just not a very strong one, anyone can become members at a few different no ratio sites. I have already stated this. I don't need access to a zillion different files, I am only interested in 0-day and BT fits my needs. I also stated in an earlier post, I have no need for a file that has been out a year either so retention time is just not of any value to me personally, just as I don't care about how long they stay on trackers either.

As for the amount of traffic, not that it really matters but when I spoke of that I spoke of personal numbers not BT or Usenet as whole. If you have to search 20 trackers and you can't find what your looking for that is current then you must have the sorriest trackers known to man. I don't really frequent warez sites for stuff so I can't really say much about those. As for usenet content no I don't know exactly whats on there but I have a real good idea that it's the same thing thats available on torrents. If it has any value to people and if it is on usenet then it will be on one of my trackers of that I have no doubt. Bottom line to the total traffic question between usenet and torrents as a whole is who gives a rats ass?

At least do people the courtesy of reading the thread and all their thoughts and post before you decide to comment. You could have saved yourself a few minutes had you known that the items you addressed have already been talked about. I have also already stated that both forms have their good sides, and that it is just a matter of personal choice and really no need to go back and forth over which is better? Some people dig the usenet and thats fine with me, I don't care how you get your loot as long as your getting it and your not snitching on me. I don't want to beat a dead horse, so I am not going to go through point by point here, it's a matter of personal preference, they both serve a function to those that use them. No one way is the ultimate solution, they both have trade offs, it's just a matter of choice. There is no evil side to the argument and there is no war.

[saulin]

It's simply a matter of how do you want to get your files. Usenet is convenient and fast. Less trouble. That's whay you pay for it. BT is for those that don't mind looking at different sources or waiting longer to get the files and I don't mean pre times here. I mean wether what you want will be available and whether you will get good download speeds. If you haven't noticed there are a few people that switch to usenet because it's simply easier and faster when it comes to grabbing stuff. Oh yeah you may not care about tracking down old releases but many people do. That's one of Usenet's strengths. Astraweb is at 250 days of retention and Giganews it's at 260.

I do agree with you and I said it since my first post. Both sources are good and the truth is that if you want to be sure that you can get everything you can, then you need both sources and also warez forums because when usenet and BT fail, usually you can find what you want on some warez forum or site.

Oh about me searching through 20 BT sites. That's not joke and that included ScT, TL, RevTT, SCC, Demonoid etc... You can have all the trackers you want but not even all of them put together will have everything you may want. The same goes for usenet. It has a lot of content but obviously not everything. Oh yeah I guess you also should read all my posts on this subject . Obviously I preffer usenet and I have my good reasons, I also have my good reasons about why I don't like to use BT much and I have explained them.

[Snarkyone]

For the record I have read the whole thread, a couple of times in fact looking for some usenet info as I said I am going to give it another look. I think the file you must have had such trouble finding was no doubt a older file and not a fresh one which is as we both know usenet will absolutely have the advantage in terms of life and speed since it is so old on a torrent site it is unlikely to have more than a couple of seeders by then.

It seems we have reached a consensus then, usenet and torrents both have their supporters and both have great content and allow for people to communicate and share, taking a break from the everyday bullshit that is so prevalent in the world. While the suckers continue to bow to the man, there are still people in the world willing to buck the system.

It's also good to see someone respond with intelligence rather than flaming, should not have to say this but it is nice to see and appreciated. See? We can get along despite the fact that you prefer to pay for your pirated material! Just kidding, peace.

[cinephilia]

it also seems that saulin doesn't know how torrenting works.
saulin, give me the title of "the film you didn't find anywhere", i'm pretty sure i can do something for you

[Snarkyone]

I think he finally found it on usenet that was his point.

[stoi]

But if he uses Usenet, then warez forums, then Bittorrent, how come it took him so long to find it, and why did he look at torrents first for it, when his whole argument is based on he prefers usenet and he looks there first for everything.

I may be being pedantic, been up all night with the baby, but i think i bring up a pretty good point, surely he would have looked at usenet first, found it, so never even bothered to look at torrents.

I have a feeling he is telling a little white lie here, just to make usenet sound great and torrents sound shite.

each to their own though.

[saulin]

lol. If memory serves me right I think it was "Blood in, Blood Out" DVD9 and that was before I moved to Usenet. I started using BT heavy since 2007 but I really found hard finding some stuff. Especially when it comes to applications. You have to look in different trackers. It's much easier just doing a search on warez boards or usenet. I also had a hard time finding Alive 1993. I think SweDVDR had it but only 1 seed and it was going so slow. I can't remember where I ended up getting it from. That was before I moved to HD. Now I try to get only movies in 720p if they are available, then DVD9.

Since probably 8 months I mainly use usenet. I have had all those hard to find trackers and one thing that bugged me is how hard it is to seed on some trackers like ScT and BitmeTV and Bitme. So you can't just go crazy leeching what you want. That's one of the big cons of BT. And not all trackers that are free leech actually have great content. I do have to say that BCG probably has the best seeding system in the whole BT world.