why not switch to usenet?

[link2009]

your posts are quite interesting comparing the crap we can see everyday in this section.
unfortunately, you came here in order to convince people instead of simply discussing with them.

And that is precisely why he failed.

I have to say MikeHD, that from reading your posts, you are not 'In The Scene' nor have access to the true beauty of what is 'Bittorrent'. Yes, I am an elite Usenet user and the only advantage Usenet has over P2P, is the blazing fast speeds and retention of files...but it lacks on content where DEDICATED PEOPLE OF THE BITTORRENT COMMUNITY contribute.

That made me

You people are just too much...

I'm sorry, 'You People' ?

I suppose I went a little overboard with the 'elite Usenet user' statement but I was just trying to emphasize that I have experience with both Usenet and Bittorrent to a high degree. That means I've been involved with them for over 5 years and I believe my opinion has some value to it.

The argument will never end, but you can have some factors to determine which 'Service' or "Protocol' (NNTP / BitTorrent) is better:

Retention

Usenet: As someone pointed out earlier, Usenet's RETENTION is quite limited in the sense that if you're not paying a high-cost usenet provider such as Giganews, you're not going to have access to files that have been on Usenet for a year.

BitTorrent: Files can remain seeded as long as a seeder remains active, which can be well over a year if the torrent is popular or sought for. What else is beneficial to a torrent user, is that one can ask the uploader or ANYBODY who snatched the file to seed for him and usually, on a serious tracker, someone will start seeding that file. This will never happen on Usenet as a file is deleted.

Both: Sure, on Usenet someone could just re-upload the file just as someone could do the same on BitTorrent. I see people arguing about 'Multiple Releases'. What is the point? The best release (If you're talking about Video then Audio / Picture Quality is a must, etc..) is the only one that should be shared, what's the point of using 'worse' releases?

Availability or Pre-Times

Usenet: Depending on the file, some things appear quicker on Usenet, some don't. The problem with Usenet is that if you don't have a lot of upload bandwith, uploading each piece (wich is usually the case [.rar parts]) will take a long time.

BitTorrent: Files can be seeded from multiple places at once so things can get moving pretty fast. I believe, IT IS A KNOWN FACT that you can't compare the appearance of a release with Usenet / BitTorrent because there's no true statistic comparing the two. It either appears on one faster, or the other.

Both: I really can't understand this issue. Do a few minutes or maybe even a few hours make a difference? Do you sit in front of your computer waiting for a file to appear on Usenet or BitTorrent? Go outside (if it's not 12AM), have a breath of fresh air, come back, and voila, the file appears on BitTorrent or UseNet, at some time or another.

Redunancy (Spam / Useless / Dupes:

Usenet: Usenet is uncontrollable. There are no 'authorized' uploaders so everyone uploads whatever they want. Sure, NZBs are a great way to find what you want, but they don't come close (in my opinion) to a well-constructed search on a BitTorrent site. So many files are dupes, contains viruses, are fake or are just useless. You can't tell me that Usenet increases by 3 or 30 TB/day and thn state that it's better than BitTorrent. How much of that data is actually 'unique' and 'useful' ?

BitTorrent: It's easy to find what you're looking for on numerous trackers, as some are specialized on Music, DVDs, whatever. The serious trackers allow only authorized uploaders, so don't expect trojans / viruses, fakes, dupes or useless releases.

I can't say one's better than the other, even though I may have leaned towards BitTorrent in the above comparisons because I am a fan of both. Usenet is good for some things, BitTorrent for the other.

Skizzo, I shared with FileSharingTalk a bunch of NZBs, I gave giveaways to members and tried to be part of the community, so please don't laugh at me.

[Wwwildthing]

anyone recommend fast usenet server from USA please :-D

Usenet runs at full bandwidth, regardless of who your provider is or what server you connect to.

Giganews carries the largest number of newsgroups, with the longest retention and best completion rates. Some providers are cheaper, but many of them are Giganews resellers and many ISP's got their Usenet from them (Earthlink and Comcast to name a couple). I've been with Giganews since I've been on the Internet (56k dial-up), and I have no complaints. They're in the process of expanding to 365 days of binary retention + over 2,000 days of text retention, which is even more impressive when you know that over 4.5 terabyte of data travels over Usenet every day.

Many in this thread have swooned over their favorite private tracker... but at the very moment I write this, Demonoid (which is semi-private) has 251,519 actively-seeded torrents.

Between these 2 sources... I have all I can eat.

I'll step off the soapbox box now, you go do what you want.

[Quasit]

My expericance so far. Astraweb support sucks. (Ok, maybe not that relevant.). Too many stuff can't ger repaired with PAR2s. The free newsreaders seem very unstable and crash quite often (Grabit & Sabnzbd), at least on WinXP. I haven't bothered to try any of the commerical ones yet. Being forced to do the damn PAR2 checks is annoying. (even though it's automatic). I thought DVD9 would be much more common on Usenet, instead it's quite rare IMO. BitHQ is much better for DVD9. Often people who upload on Usenet (I don't mean the people making NZBs) don't bother writing which subs & language the DVDs contains.

Overall I'm not impressed at all with Usenet.

[saulin]

My expericance so far. Astraweb support sucks. (Ok, maybe not that relevant.). Too many stuff can't ger repaired with PAR2s. The free newsreaders seem very unstable and crash quite often (Grabit & Sabnzbd), at least on WinXP. I haven't bothered to try any of the commerical ones yet. Being forced to do the damn PAR2 checks is annoying. (even though it's automatic). I thought DVD9 would be much more common on Usenet, instead it's quite rare IMO. BitHQ is much better for DVD9. Often people who upload on Usenet (I don't mean the people making NZBs) don't bother writing which subs & language the DVDs contains.

Overall I'm not impressed at all with Usenet.

You should not have to reapir stuff. If you do it should be very rarely. You shouldn't really need to contact support either??

Anyways I had an issue for months where all my downloads would have at least 2-3 corrupted downloads. The problem was that this also happened when downloading from BT and from the Web. Any big file downloaded without a downlaod manager would get corrupted. I thought it was my ISP, then my HDD and it was my RAM. I switched my RAM. Now I don't get corrupted downloads at all. I use Astraweb for anything that is 150 days or older and I don't need to repair stuff.

Right now I use Alt.Binz as my newsreader. No problems at all with it. Of course try to get the latest version you can. Not 0.25 which is really old.

When looking for DVD9s look for achieves that are roughly 50 megs and go over 90 parts. A lot of times they are not labeled as DVD9s but you can tell which ones are by their size. A lot of DVD posts on usenet are not scene releases too.

Also whenever you know the scene file name of something just do a search for that and you shall find stuff easy instead of trying to find something by their title.

Here is a good example. Some tiems you will see something like. Efnet post #23234 "scene-filename.rar"

If you search for the title name you may think that is not there but by searching by the file name you'll know it's there. I only search this way when searching by the file name fails.

As for DVDs I think the most common format everywhere is PAL so that's what you will find most and a lot of them have weird subs but again almost all PAL releases default to English as the original language. I have found that DVD9s are usually NTSC though. I used to grab just DVD9s. Now I try to get just 720p rips.

It seems that people usually try to make usenet sound complicated but it's just so easy. Get the right newsreader. The right provider. Learn to search for stuff. That's the advise I give you and there are a lot of guides on using usenet for newbs. When you know what you are doing you don't even have to look on NZB sites for anything. If anything you could use a site that has scene release names for stuff you download. Then you don't have to leave your news client to search for stuff and to download.

[cinephilia]

It seems that people usually try to make usenet sound complicated but it's just so easy. Get the right newsreader. The right provider. Learn to search for stuff.

so easy that you have to learn how to search

[fstfukinDaBest]

My expericance so far. Astraweb support sucks. (Ok, maybe not that relevant.). Too many stuff can't ger repaired with PAR2s. The free newsreaders seem very unstable and crash quite often (Grabit & Sabnzbd), at least on WinXP. I haven't bothered to try any of the commerical ones yet. Being forced to do the damn PAR2 checks is annoying. (even though it's automatic). I thought DVD9 would be much more common on Usenet, instead it's quite rare IMO. BitHQ is much better for DVD9. Often people who upload on Usenet (I don't mean the people making NZBs) don't bother writing which subs & language the DVDs contains.

Overall I'm not impressed at all with Usenet.

You should not have to reapir stuff. If you do it should be very rarely. You shouldn't really need to contact support either??

Anyways I had an issue for months where all my downloads would have at least 2-3 corrupted downloads. The problem was that this also happened when downloading from BT and from the Web. Any big file downloaded without a downlaod manager would get corrupted. I thought it was my ISP, then my HDD and it was my RAM. I switched my RAM. Now I don't get corrupted downloads at all. I use Astraweb for anything that is 150 days or older and I don't need to repair stuff.

Right now I use Alt.Binz as my newsreader. No problems at all with it. Of course try to get the latest version you can. Not 0.25 which is really old.

When looking for DVD9s look for achieves that are roughly 50 megs and go over 90 parts. A lot of times they are not labeled as DVD9s but you can tell which ones are by their size. A lot of DVD posts on usenet are not scene releases too.

Also whenever you know the scene file name of something just do a search for that and you shall find stuff easy instead of trying to find something by their title.

Here is a good example. Some tiems you will see something like. Efnet post #23234 "scene-filename.rar"

If you search for the title name you may think that is not there but by searching by the file name you'll know it's there. I only search this way when searching by the file name fails.

As for DVDs I think the most common format everywhere is PAL so that's what you will find most and a lot of them have weird subs but again almost all PAL releases default to English as the original language. I have found that DVD9s are usually NTSC though. I used to grab just DVD9s. Now I try to get just 720p rips.

It seems that people usually try to make usenet sound complicated but it's just so easy. Get the right newsreader. The right provider. Learn to search for stuff. That's the advise I give you and there are a lot of guides on using usenet for newbs. When you know what you are doing you don't even have to look on NZB sites for anything. If anything you could use a site that has scene release names for stuff you download. Then you don't have to leave your news client to search for stuff and to download.

+1

searching has got very easy for me like for the new Fast+furious 2009 i just search NZBindex for FaF set at newest age and there it is or i just search BRRip and a hole list pops up

using alt binz 28.4 and astraweb

[Quasit]

You should not have to reapir stuff. If you do it should be very rarely. You shouldn't really need to contact support either??

Anyways I had an issue for months where all my downloads would have at least 2-3 corrupted downloads. The problem was that this also happened when downloading from BT and from the Web. Any big file downloaded without a downlaod manager would get corrupted. I thought it was my ISP, then my HDD and it was my RAM. I switched my RAM. Now I don't get corrupted downloads at all. I use Astraweb for anything that is 150 days or older and I don't need to repair stuff.

Right now I use Alt.Binz as my newsreader. No problems at all with it. Of course try to get the latest version you can. Not 0.25 which is really old.

When looking for DVD9s look for achieves that are roughly 50 megs and go over 90 parts. A lot of times they are not labeled as DVD9s but you can tell which ones are by their size. A lot of DVD posts on usenet are not scene releases too.

Also whenever you know the scene file name of something just do a search for that and you shall find stuff easy instead of trying to find something by their title.

Here is a good example. Some tiems you will see something like. Efnet post #23234 "scene-filename.rar"

If you search for the title name you may think that is not there but by searching by the file name you'll know it's there. I only search this way when searching by the file name fails.

As for DVDs I think the most common format everywhere is PAL so that's what you will find most and a lot of them have weird subs but again almost all PAL releases default to English as the original language. I have found that DVD9s are usually NTSC though. I used to grab just DVD9s. Now I try to get just 720p rips.

It seems that people usually try to make usenet sound complicated but it's just so easy. Get the right newsreader. The right provider. Learn to search for stuff. That's the advise I give you and there are a lot of guides on using usenet for newbs. When you know what you are doing you don't even have to look on NZB sites for anything. If anything you could use a site that has scene release names for stuff you download. Then you don't have to leave your news client to search for stuff and to download.

Nah, my bittorent downloads aren't corrupted. 5/40 Usenet downloads weren't repairable, the majority of the rest had to be repaired.

"You shouldn't really need to contact support either??" Lol. Ok, you don't even know what it was about and you assume that?

I'm not going to take a guess if some release has eng subs or the original audio (yeah some even lack that, and only have dubs) as it's seems quite common to be the opposite. Maybe not so much for Hollywood stuff, but I don't only download that. I don't really care about PAL/NTSC thing as I live in Europe.

As for searching I use NZBmatrix, but as many movies lack NFO or some kind of info text you have to guess what you get. Even if it's not a scene release people upload in groups they could at least bother to do a simple NFO.

[saulin]

It seems that people usually try to make usenet sound complicated but it's just so easy. Get the right newsreader. The right provider. Learn to search for stuff.

so easy that you have to learn how to search

Newbs have to. I don't

It's common sence. It's like google. Some people know how to search for stuff and others just don't.

But it sure beats having to try 10 different trackers to find something

You should not have to reapir stuff. If you do it should be very rarely. You shouldn't really need to contact support either??

Anyways I had an issue for months where all my downloads would have at least 2-3 corrupted downloads. The problem was that this also happened when downloading from BT and from the Web. Any big file downloaded without a downlaod manager would get corrupted. I thought it was my ISP, then my HDD and it was my RAM. I switched my RAM. Now I don't get corrupted downloads at all. I use Astraweb for anything that is 150 days or older and I don't need to repair stuff.

Right now I use Alt.Binz as my newsreader. No problems at all with it. Of course try to get the latest version you can. Not 0.25 which is really old.

When looking for DVD9s look for achieves that are roughly 50 megs and go over 90 parts. A lot of times they are not labeled as DVD9s but you can tell which ones are by their size. A lot of DVD posts on usenet are not scene releases too.

Also whenever you know the scene file name of something just do a search for that and you shall find stuff easy instead of trying to find something by their title.

Here is a good example. Some tiems you will see something like. Efnet post #23234 "scene-filename.rar"

If you search for the title name you may think that is not there but by searching by the file name you'll know it's there. I only search this way when searching by the file name fails.

As for DVDs I think the most common format everywhere is PAL so that's what you will find most and a lot of them have weird subs but again almost all PAL releases default to English as the original language. I have found that DVD9s are usually NTSC though. I used to grab just DVD9s. Now I try to get just 720p rips.

It seems that people usually try to make usenet sound complicated but it's just so easy. Get the right newsreader. The right provider. Learn to search for stuff. That's the advise I give you and there are a lot of guides on using usenet for newbs. When you know what you are doing you don't even have to look on NZB sites for anything. If anything you could use a site that has scene release names for stuff you download. Then you don't have to leave your news client to search for stuff and to download.

Nah, my bittorent downloads aren't corrupted. 5/40 Usenet downloads weren't repairable, the majority of the rest had to be repaired.

"You shouldn't really need to contact support either??" Lol. Ok, you don't even know what it was about and you assume that?

I'm not going to take a guess if some release has eng subs or the original audio (yeah some even lack that, and only have dubs) as it's seems quite common to be the opposite. Maybe not so much for Hollywood stuff, but I don't only download that. I don't really care about PAL/NTSC thing as I live in Europe.

As for searching I use NZBmatrix, but as many movies lack NFO or some kind of info text you have to guess what you get. Even if it's not a scene release people upload in groups they could at least bother to do a simple NFO.

Just so you know. No tech support would get back to you if they think you are doing something illegal. Like grabbing warez. I never have had to contact tech support for Easynews or Giganews or Astraweb.

I had the problem with lots of corrupted downloads and it was my RAM. Sounds like you have hardware problem as well. Torrents may not come out corrupt because Bitorrent checks your download and repairs it before it completes it. But in the end it ends up downloading extra data.

[wiseD]

so easy that you have to learn how to search

Newbs have to. I don't

But you are a newb

[saulin]

Newbs have to. I don't

But you are a newb

Well I must be a smarter newb. Newb!

Obviously you haven't looked at my posts. Have you? I help newbies