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    Should the U.N. get involved with the rebuilding of iraq?

    I say yes

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    My answer NO! America and Britain and Spain went in without a mandate. Why should the UN pick up the pieces?
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    No - The USA and UK threw their right to request aid for Iraq when they went against the judgement of the UN. Maybe if any other country was running the show for the UK & US would I possibly think about it, but for both countries to disobey the UN's word and attack a country on their own and yet have the audacity to ask the UN for support is beyond belief.

    Last time I heard, the UK & US governments have spent a shitload on the war - If they can afford the cost to fight others on their soil, they can easily afford the cost to rebuild Iraq. IMO If they didn't leave enough on the side for the rebuilding, it's their own f***ing fault & problem


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    well then what good is the U.N.?

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    It is there for taking appropriate action on a CONCENSUS of opinion.
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    Well I Agree with bigboab and Illuminati to some extent, America and Britain made the mess let them clean it up, but thinking about the Iraqi people and the track record of America and Britain, I would like to see the UN get involved only for the civilians, the people need aid, electricity, clean water and food. The UN is better at cleaning up humanitarian disasters then fighting wars. All that America and Britian seem interested in at the moment is killing more inocent people at check points, killing animals in the Baghdad zoo, and finding Saddam, its been months since the war ended and they still havent been able to simply supply power to Baghdad. I mean if the power station is so badly hit all it would cost them is a Generator for each street at the price of $1000 per generator.

    So basically should the UN get involved ? Yes.

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    The UN should really be involved. It would draw the sting from those in Iraq who are supporting and hiding the ever growing numbers opposed to the occupation (and the chaos) as it would increase the expectancy that a legitimate Iraqi government was likely to follow in the near future.

    Unfortunately, I believe the US administration has rather painted itself into a corner on this one, as to relinquish that amount of power to the UN would be seen as tacit failure of long term planning and tactics. This is not necessarily the case, but with an election looming perceptions are important.

    Also, although it is understood in the UN that they should be involved, it is questionable how much countries like France, Turkey, Germany and Russia really want to get sucked into an expensive commitment like this. Unfortunately, although the coalition of the willing is made up of 30 countries only the US, Britain and Spain actually have serious resources. The rest have made a political decision based on wheeling and dealing prior to the conflict. They actually represent a net drain on US resources not a help.

    In Iraq, the infra-structure is shot (literally) and the number of attacks daily is horrendous. For every Coalition soldier killed (a daily occurrence) there are about a dozen wounded and in Baghdad alone there are 15 to 20 murders every night amongst the civilian population. Across the country as a whole it is anarchy.

    I have friends out there and they say it is a complete shambles. They have more robust comments regarding the people who sent them and the lack of foresight, but they are professionals and are doing a job. Hopefully, they will all return.
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    I think the UN has taken the right position here.

    They have already told the USA and UK, when they asked for assistance that they will........IF the USA and UK hand over control of the re-building.

    As there are multi-million dollar contracts being awarded to US firms, this isnt going to happen, so the USA/UK have been told to lie in their own mess...something that, by the looks of things, they werent expecting.


    I hope the UN sticks to its guns, and does NOT get involved until CONTROL is handed over.

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    Yes I agree I hope they all return. I think if they had to go in(And I dont), it should have been swift, without any warning. Instead the Iraqis were given time to prepare for the type of warfare that is now taking place. Not one country in the world has beaten this type of warfare. Remember all this when the elections come along.
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    Originally posted by Biggles@23 September 2003 - 23:58
    The UN should really be involved. It would draw the sting from those in Iraq who are supporting and hiding the ever growing numbers opposed to the occupation (and the chaos) as it would increase the expectancy that a legitimate Iraqi government was likely to follow in the near future.

    Unfortunately, I believe the US administration has rather painted itself into a corner on this one, as to relinquish that amount of power to the UN would be seen as tacit failure of long term planning and tactics. This is not necessarily the case, but with an election looming perceptions are important.

    Also, although it is understood in the UN that they should be involved, it is questionable how much countries like France, Turkey, Germany and Russia really want to get sucked into an expensive commitment like this. Unfortunately, although the coalition of the willing is made up of 30 countries only the US, Britain and Spain actually have serious resources. The rest have made a political decision based on wheeling and dealing prior to the conflict. They actually represent a net drain on US resources not a help.

    In Iraq, the infra-structure is shot (literally) and the number of attacks daily is horrendous. For every Coalition soldier killed (a daily occurrence) there are about a dozen wounded and in Baghdad alone there are 15 to 20 murders every night amongst the civilian population. Across the country as a whole it is anarchy.

    I have friends out there and they say it is a complete shambles. They have more robust comments regarding the people who sent them and the lack of foresight, but they are professionals and are doing a job. Hopefully, they will all return.
    Well said, and I also hope all return safely!!

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