What Is Your Christianity?

[hobbes]

Oh, I didn't realize that your were a total idiot. People who commit these acts are not normal people influenced by the devil, they are ill.

I would never do any of the above, regardless of encouragement.

Anybody other than idiot boy, please disagree.

Son, your concrete, brainwashed mentality is a waste of not only my time but the forums time.

Go clutch your Bible and pray happy thoughts.

JPAul what do you think?

Satan is unreal. Who really believes in Satan?

[Strutzy3]

Hi -
Im here to voice what i belief, describe it as best as i can and defend it as far up until faith stops me.

I am a devouted christian. I am an analytical teenager that understands how many questions are out there. I've got several days of which i can sit and wonder about them in classes of mine. I'll ask that you don't immediately discredit me because i'm younger than you. Hear me out..

look at this sentence from a logical point of view and I see contradiction, on one hand i'm told "one lord" and another, told "three entities, the son, the father and the wholly spirit/ghost

I believe in the trinity. Yes, this is often a confusing issue. A good way to think of the trinity could be like a small company with three different ppl in the company while the company itself still holds one name. In some respects i agree that describing it the way the bible does can make me wonder why it seems to be depicted in a way that is harder for me to belief. But, on the other hand if in the bible I was told that more than one thing was going on in different places by one God i'd have doubts because in my everyday life i don't deal with this concept of being almighty enough to be in more than one place at one as it's described.

I believe in right and wrong or also known as absolute truth. If you say to me that there is no absolute truth... you are contradicting yourself. By this I can be honest to myself and say yep, i haven't always done the right thing. i've done things that are wrong, i've sinned (or literally meaning missed the mark). So, I look for an answer. And I see that God is a pretty logical answer. It does take faith to belief but then again, have you looked at the stars lately?

My God doesn't rely on fear of going to Hell to make me live a good life, I know right from wrong and try to choose accordingly.
My God understands that faith wavers, and understands that I may question it's existence.

My God doesn't rely on fear to make me live a good life either. God does not use Hell as a motherly statement of "if you don't clean your room no cookies". He simply does us a favor by letting us know, hey, your living your life in sin, you're not perfect and it's leading you down a path of death. I love you enough that I'm going to send my holy son to your world, to live with you, as a perfect human to show you that it can be done and to take your sins upon himself and die. Because he was sent by me, and given the authority to do this by me, it would be by my will that he would be a sacrifice for you.
My God understands that my faith wavers. That is why he doesn't say to me that after accepting that i'm messed up and after i've become a christian that he doesn't say that i can never sin again or i will have lost my chance. Heck, I'd say that's why he is giving us a chance in the first place.

I am happy to see that you whom are all reading and are involved in this thread are at least pondering these ideas. It's been a long time since i've seen things from a view not believing in God, but now that i do, seeing how intricate even I am, the stars, or a forest, I can't understand how i missed it. To possibly clear up any doubts on if there is a creator - i think of how i don't understand completely how i work but i do understand how a speaker works. I can say i've never found a speaker in a remote area in the woods lying on the ground. If all you want to get out of what i have to say is that we didn't just come together by chance, then i'll be joyful for that.

Respond to me if you'd like - i can't guarentee that i'll be able to check this thread to give you a response - so don't take offense. I enjoy talking about this stuff because my friends barely ever want to. Sry this got a little long.
- Strutzy3 - you can also email me if you'd like

[protak]

Originally posted by hobbes@28 September 2003 - 09:23
Oh, I didn't realize that your were a total idiot. People who commit these acts are not normal people influenced by the devil, they are ill.

I would never do any of the above, regardless of encouragement.

Anybody other than idiot boy, please disagree.

Son, your concrete, brainwashed mentality is a waste of not only my time and the forums time.

Go clutch your Bible and pray happy thoughts.

JPAul what do you think?

Satan is unreal. Who really believes in Satan?

I'm guessing 22 maybe 23, sit at mom and dads all day, no job, cant get one people really dont like you.... Maybe even a small time hacker, the mad little boy. Insult Jpaul then ask his opinion. Very good for the average person with a low iq. Like I said before"If you have no belief, Why are you so opinionated"?
Go to bed leave us thumpers alone...

[hobbes]

See Protak, this is how a true Christian responds. He is not defensive, he does not call names. He wants to draw you into his world so the topic can be discussed. If you leave unbelieving, he will have pity on your soul and not degrade you with critical words.

Such is the true disicple of God.

[hobbes]

Insult Jpaul? We do disagree on a case by case basis, but we respect one another in the big picture, of this I have no doubt.

He and I have traded exchanges for awhile. I want to know what he thinks of your defense of Christianity.

I imagine he would embarassed.

Please notice that I have not posted my age, accomplishmnets, or IQ, I think my posts speak for themselves.

As a non-Christian, I have made no asssumptions about you, why do you feel the need to make them about me?

[protak]

Originally posted by Strutzy3@28 September 2003 - 09:28
Hi -
Im here to voice what i belief, describe it as best as i can and defend it as far up until faith stops me.

I am a devouted christian. I am an analytical teenager that understands how many questions are out there. I've got several days of which i can sit and wonder about them in classes of mine. I'll ask that you don't immediately discredit me because i'm younger than you. Hear me out..

look at this sentence from a logical point of view and I see contradiction, on one hand i'm told "one lord" and another, told "three entities, the son, the father and the wholly spirit/ghost

I believe in the trinity. Yes, this is often a confusing issue. A good way to think of the trinity could be like a small company with three different ppl in the company while the company itself still holds one name. In some respects i agree that describing it the way the bible does can make me wonder why it seems to be depicted in a way that is harder for me to belief. But, on the other hand if in the bible I was told that more than one thing was going on in different places by one God i'd have doubts because in my everyday life i don't deal with this concept of being almighty enough to be in more than one place at one as it's described.

I believe in right and wrong or also known as absolute truth. If you say to me that there is no absolute truth... you are contradicting yourself. By this I can be honest to myself and say yep, i haven't always done the right thing. i've done things that are wrong, i've sinned (or literally meaning missed the mark). So, I look for an answer. And I see that God is a pretty logical answer. It does take faith to belief but then again, have you looked at the stars lately?

My God doesn't rely on fear of going to Hell to make me live a good life, I know right from wrong and try to choose accordingly.
My God understands that faith wavers, and understands that I may question it's existence.

My God doesn't rely on fear to make me live a good life either. God does not use Hell as a motherly statement of "if you don't clean your room no cookies". He simply does us a favor by letting us know, hey, your living your life in sin, you're not perfect and it's leading you down a path of death. I love you enough that I'm going to send my holy son to your world, to live with you, as a perfect human to show you that it can be done and to take your sins upon himself and die. Because he was sent by me, and given the authority to do this by me, it would be by my will that he would be a sacrifice for you.
My God understands that my faith wavers. That is why he doesn't say to me that after accepting that i'm messed up and after i've become a christian that he doesn't say that i can never sin again or i will have lost my chance. Heck, I'd say that's why he is giving us a chance in the first place.

I am happy to see that you whom are all reading and are involved in this thread are at least pondering these ideas. It's been a long time since i've seen things from a view not believing in God, but now that i do, seeing how intricate even I am, the stars, or a forest, I can't understand how i missed it. To possibly clear up any doubts on if there is a creator - i think of how i don't understand completely how i work but i do understand how a speaker works. I can say i've never found a speaker in a remote area in the woods lying on the ground. If all you want to get out of what i have to say is that we didn't just come together by chance, then i'll be joyful for that.

Respond to me if you'd like - i can't guarentee that i'll be able to check this thread to give you a response - so don't take offense. I enjoy talking about this stuff because my friends barely ever want to. Sry this got a little long.
- Strutzy3 - you can also email me if you'd like

Strutzy well spoken mate.....Amen!!

[hobbes]

see above

[protak]

Originally posted by hobbes@28 September 2003 - 09:40
Insult Jpaul? We do disagree on a case by case basis, but we respect one another in the big picture, of this I have no doubt.

He and I have traded exchanges for awhile. I want to know what he thinks of your defense of Christianity.

I imagine he would embarassed.

Please notice that I have not posted my age, accomplishmnets, or IQ, I think my posts speak for themselves.

As a non-Christian, I have made no asssumptions about you, why do you feel the need to make them about me?

Yes insult J-Paul.
Who said I was defendig christianity?
If He's embarressed oh well..
You dont have to post your age or accomplishments or iq. YES your posts speak volumes...
Yes you have made assumptions about me, you assume I'm a christian...

[hobbes]

Originally posted by protak+28 September 2003 - 10:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (protak &#064; 28 September 2003 - 10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@28 September 2003 - 09:40
Insult Jpaul?&nbsp; We do disagree on a case by case basis, but we respect one another in the big picture, of this I have no doubt.

He and I have traded exchanges for awhile.&nbsp; I want to know what he thinks of your defense of Christianity.

I imagine he would embarassed.

Please notice that I have not posted my age, accomplishmnets, or IQ, I think my posts speak for themselves.

As a non-Christian, I have made no asssumptions about you, why do you feel the need to make them about me?

Yes insult J-Paul.
Who said I was defendig christianity?
If He&#39;s embarressed oh well..
You dont have to post your age or accomplishments or iq. YES your posts speak volumes...
Yes you have made assumptions about me, you assume I&#39;m a christian...[/b][/quote]
Well, since I can integrate the threads and that you have professed that your God is Jesus, I would figure to be right.

Amazing that I can retain all that&#33;

As for my posts, they are about many things, the most salient thing you should notice is that your friend, Billy Dean, who has no affection for me, has not come to your aid in either thread. Nor has JPaul. Here is the prior thread.

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showto...ndpost&p=516414

Again, how exactly have I insulted JPAul? Evidence rather than words would be nice.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by hobbes@28 September 2003 - 19:08
As for my posts, they are about many things, the most salient thing you should notice is that your friend, Billy Dean, who has no affection for me, has not come to your aid in either thread. Nor has JPaul.

Two points to raise here;

1. Tim being a friend does not mean I agree with anything or everything he says. I have never hidden the fact that I don&#39;t believe in gods, religions or afterlives. So I am unlikely to defend his religious views. I have felt the urge, however, to say something about the ridicule you use as a tactic when arguing with people, but Tim is well capable of looking after himself, therefore there was no need to intervene.

Thanks for your sixth grade perspective.

The first insult?

4. Yes, we are stealing on P2P, maybe you should tell devout Catholic JPaul about this.

The JP insult?

2. I am, in fact, quite fond of Hobbes.