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    Click on climate change and do a bit of interesting reading...if you're a fanboi for global warming (human-caused specie).

    http://cei.org/issue/48
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    A quick scan of both links put the latter in proper perspective.

    Funny how an attack on one person's credibility is conflated to envelop all that one finds objectionable.

    I suppose, though, it only stands to reason that global warming is the fault of humans (read: Americans); after all, Mother Nature hasn't any cash.
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    I don't know about whose fault it is. But my impression is that the CEI has been accused of not being that serious an agency, the guy in the link I posted taking it to the extreme.

    These chaps have had a thing or two to say about the CEI's work as well.

    At any rate, while there's certainly nothing wrong with scrutinizing your EPA's work and so forth, it seems to me it may be more a question of not wanting to lend questionable work legitimacy, than an attempt at suppressing 'The Truth'.

    It'd probably be a good thing if someone who knew what they were talking about and who didn't have a dubious agenda, could prove we weren't screwing the planet, seeing as there's no stopping the bulk of our emissions anyhow

    Those CEI guys are not it, though.
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    Y halo thar, forum hiccoughs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckrit View Post
    I don't know about whose fault it is. But my impression is that the CEI has been accused of not being that serious an agency, the guy in the link I posted taking it to the extreme.

    These chaps have had a thing or two to say about the CEI's work as well.

    At any rate, while there's certainly nothing wrong with scrutinizing your EPA's work and so forth, it seems to me it may be more a question of not wanting to lend questionable work legitimacy, than an attempt at suppressing 'The Truth'.

    It'd probably be a good thing if someone who knew what they were talking about and who didn't have a dubious agenda, could prove we weren't screwing the planet, seeing as there's no stopping the bulk of our emissions anyhow

    Those CEI guys are not it, though.
    None of that suggests why you think humans (whose complicity by your own admission is suspect) can effect an environmental change one might regard as "favorable", when even the debate over whether a bit of warming might be a good thing has not been properly concluded.

    Seems your mind has closed on the matter, and for no reason apart from the specious claims of people who - again, by your admission - are pushing an agenda.
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    FFS

    Man is not "causing" climate change, that happens anyway..

    Man is increasing the rate of climate change beyond anything that has happened in history, including a number of mass extinction events.

    OK, have a debate on whether it will benefit people.. ask those in the States bordering the Mexican Gulf, or small Islands etc..

    The UK will get colder as a result of Global Warming if the Gulf Stream switches off. Personally, I hate the heatwaves we're having until this event possibly happens... but I'm not looking forward to adopting the climate of Alaska and Siberia when it does (even if they are slightly warmer than they are now).

    If the Gulf Stream does switch off, then the human race is extinct by the way. It is one of the main engines that circulates the Oceans waters and if these stop then the Oceans stagnate and eventually there is no Oxygen.

    Whether you believe in Climate Change or not, it does seem a little stupid to gample the lives of your decendents over a few more dollars in your pocket now, given the amount of evidence out there.

    Kev, you are absolutely right when you point out some stupid environmentalists that bend or exagerate things, they don't do any favours to anyone. However the vast majority of Scientists that actually are against "Climate Change" are linked to the Companies against it.

    I honestly cannot see why big business is against Climate Change, the amount of money to be made out of the Greens is emmence.

    I also cannot see why the USA always takes things as an attack on them.. OK they use more energy per person than any other country on the planet, however they are also the world leaders in the technologies to reduce the amount of crap we pump into the atmosphere, and in the amount of Environmental effort being spent in the world. Look at both sides of it, not just the bad part FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat Faced View Post
    FFS

    Man is not "causing" climate change, that happens anyway..

    Man is increasing the rate of climate change beyond anything that has happened in history, including a number of mass extinction events.

    OK, have a debate on whether it will benefit people.. ask those in the States bordering the Mexican Gulf, or small Islands etc..

    The UK will get colder as a result of Global Warming if the Gulf Stream switches off. Personally, I hate the heatwaves we're having until this event possibly happens... but I'm not looking forward to adopting the climate of Alaska and Siberia when it does (even if they are slightly warmer than they are now).

    If the Gulf Stream does switch off, then the human race is extinct by the way. It is one of the main engines that circulates the Oceans waters and if these stop then the Oceans stagnate and eventually there is no Oxygen.

    Whether you believe in Climate Change or not, it does seem a little stupid to gample the lives of your decendents over a few more dollars in your pocket now, given the amount of evidence out there.

    Kev, you are absolutely right when you point out some stupid environmentalists that bend or exagerate things, they don't do any favours to anyone. However the vast majority of Scientists that actually are against "Climate Change" are linked to the Companies against it.

    I honestly cannot see why big business is against Climate Change, the amount of money to be made out of the Greens is emmence.

    I also cannot see why the USA always takes things as an attack on them.. OK they use more energy per person than any other country on the planet, however they are also the world leaders in the technologies to reduce the amount of crap we pump into the atmosphere, and in the amount of Environmental effort being spent in the world. Look at both sides of it, not just the bad part FFS.
    Money to be made?

    By whom?

    What sort of response do you think you would get from me if I were Indian or Chinese?

    Work all that out and get back to me.
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    Doesn't matter who does it, it's still money.

    I think your scared that anything you come up with will be made better and smaller by the Japanese and then copied and made bloody cheap by the Chinese using an Indian Call Centre to market it all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat Faced View Post
    Doesn't matter who does it, it's still money.

    I think your scared that anything you come up with will be made better and smaller by the Japanese and then copied and made bloody cheap by the Chinese using an Indian Call Centre to market it all..
    Then let someone else do it.
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