Are some people just defective?

[pone44]

Kind of a hypocrite yourself as you do the same thing , a member of trackers, RS.

Being invited to a site and asked to follow that sites rules is respecting the site, staff and the person who invited you.

I really get tired of seeing this moral indignation from people happily engaging in criminal activity every day. Let me get this straight: You're fine with the theft and distribution of copyrighted material, but the thought of someone breaking the tracker rules disgusts you? You're frustrated because you're a hypocrite, so the world will never make sense to you.

If you follow the rules because you like the tracker and enjoy the community, fine. If you do it out of ethical motivation, you're a fool. And if you think anyone should do the same, you're delusional.

[stoi]

So on the flip side of that argument then.

because you break the law by pirating, you think that murder and rape are fine, its only a law after all, and as you break 1 you may as well break the lot, right?

and us tracker owners have nothing to do with creating music, games, movies etc, but i am sure if we did, we would give the stuff we done away. and this is about someone breaking the rules on things we have created, its not like if you dont pay you cant download, its breaking very simple rules, and just just etiquet.

so no i/we am/are not a hypocrite.

[IdolEyes787]

You don't seem to understand that the fundamental difference is that you signed on the dotted line with a tracker and gave your word saying that you will will not do such and such.
With copyright infringement I don't ever remember making such a promise.

Btw ethics and Law are two entirely different things. Some Laws are unethical and some ethics are unlawful.
To say that you are ethical simply by choosing to obey every Law the makes you either delusional or just fool.

[charliebitme]

This with socially acceptance/moral/ethics and laws reminds me of two swedish artists in an interview about illegal filesharing. They compared illegal filesharing to bestialty by saying something like "bestiality,fucking with animals, is legal but not socially accepted. Illegal filesharing is illegal but socially accepted".
It was banned from TV,lol

[pone44]

You don't seem to understand that the fundamental difference is that you signed on the dotted line with a tracker and gave your word saying that you will will not do such and such.
With copyright infringement I don't ever remember making such a promise.

Good point.

Everyone has broke a law or two even if they did not mean to.

This with socially acceptance/moral/ethics and laws reminds me of two swedish artists in an interview about illegal filesharing. They compared illegal filesharing to bestialty by saying something like "bestiality,fucking with animals, is legal but not socially accepted. Illegal filesharing is illegal but socially accepted".
It was banned from TV,lol

Btw
bestiality is disgusting to me. Could not compare that to downloading TV shows, movies , things that are legal to film in the 1st place. My 2 cents at least.

And yes some people are defective. Every watch the news?

[1000possibleclaws]

Private trackers are just a means of getting warez fast and early while ensuring quality. The rules are there to make sure this system works. If you find a rule that do nothing to help keep the system running clean then yes it's probably unnecessary and go ahead and break it. But as long as they are rules you might get caught, piss off someone, and get booted. Or maybe they'll realize it's a useless rule. But from what I've seen rules for the most part make sense (keep ratio, etc..) are are there solely to keep the system in place running smoothly.

Most rules are not hypocritical, but practical.

[orfik]

You don't seem to understand that the fundamental difference is that you signed on the dotted line with a tracker and gave your word saying that you will will not do such and such.
With copyright infringement I don't ever remember making such a promise.

Btw ethics and Law are two entirely different things. Some Laws are unethical and some ethics are unlawful.
To say that you are ethical simply by choosing to obey every Law the makes you either delusional or just fool.

I didn't sign anything when I joined any tracker. Do you think a click-box is equivalent to a signature? Even if I had signed anything, there isn't a contract that a torrent tracker could hold me to, especially considering most torrent trackers try to stay as far away from laws as they can.

Please don't say such stupid things. Depending on what country you live in, you may have made such a promise. Take me: As a citizen of the US, I am explicitly bound by certain federal, state and international laws. There's no dotted line to sign -- you're born into these contracts. Have you ever purchased copyrighted material? Did you read the agreement printed on the packaging? There's your "promise" again, and you agree to it by paying.

Ah..I'm a hypocrite? How is that? I'm aware of the laws affecting what I do, and I break them. And then I can't help but laugh when the people breaking them with me fall into the same ridiculous pattern as the RIAA and MPAA. Your rules don't mean anything. Enjoy your free music, software, books, games and movies, you moral crusaders.

[pone44]

When you buy something online you click or type to make the purchase. Basically that is your digital signature.
Your right on the fact that ethics and law are not the same thing. far from. What is your point about a contract with a tracker? You sign up and follow the rules or get the boot. What is your point?

I didn't sign anything when I joined any tracker. Do you think a click-box is equivalent to a signature? Even if I had signed anything, there isn't a contract that a torrent tracker could hold me to, especially considering most torrent trackers try to stay as far away from laws as they can.

[IdolEyes787]

Even if I had signed anything, there isn't a contract that a torrent tracker could hold me to, especially considering most torrent trackers try to stay as far away from laws as they can.

I thought the whole point of your post was to do with ethics .The fact that they " can't hold you to it" has remarkably little to do with those .

Also you seem to be presuming that I'm not of the opinion that what we do is stealing .I'm well aware of that fact but if I thought for a minute that what I was doing was really harming anyone I would stop.

See that another instance of the difference between ethics and Laws.
Ethics allow choice Laws do not.

I don't know why you seem unable to wrap your head around the difference between the two?

Btw I live in Canada where at the present it still isn't against the Law to fileshare so everything you are saying is moot anyway.

[orfik]

Even if I had signed anything, there isn't a contract that a torrent tracker could hold me to, especially considering most torrent trackers try to stay as far away from laws as they can.

I thought the whole point of your post was to do with ethics .The fact that they " can't hold you to it" has remarkably little to do with those .

Also you seem to be presuming that I'm not of the opinion that what we do is stealing .I'm well aware of that fact but if I thought for a minute that what I was doing was really harming anyone I would stop.

See that another instance of the difference between ethics and Laws.
Ethics allow choice Laws do not.

I don't know why you seem unable to wrap your head around the difference between the two?

Btw I live in Canada where at the present it still isn't against the Law to fileshare so everything you are saying is moot anyway.

It does concern ethics. So, filesharing is legal in Canada. Well, guess what, so is cheating bittorrent trackers, trading accounts, and selling accounts. So it becomes an ethical decision, no? Then tell me why you feel someone should obey the agreement they make with a tracker, and not the agreement they make with the software and games manufacturers or the MPAA and RIAA?

If your answer is something ignorant like "because you'll get booted if you don't", then why make threads whining about it? Justice will be served.