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Thread: GTA:SA Hot Coffee Suit Pointed to Take-Two Duplicity Born of Financial Turmoil

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    Struggling to stay afloat, Take-Two decided to ship Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas with a sex scene in the game and later lied to investors to cover up their decision, according to the suit settled today.

    The 2006 suit, which was tentatively settled for $20 million, also alleges that company officers earned more than $18 million in insider trading even as the company's stock plummeted.

    "As a result of the disclosures of the Company's true financial condition, its stock ratings have been slashed," the suit, initially filed by John Fenninger who purchased Take-Two common stock, states. "Moreover, the Company is exposed to class action lawsuits and regulatory enforcement actions brought by the Attorney Generals of several states. While the public investors lost over one billion dollars in market capitalization, the Individual Defendants pocketed over $18 million in insider trading proceeds."

    Hot Coffee, a bit of hidden sex found behind the apartment doors of the game, was discovered in July 2005 after a modder released a hack for the game that unlocked the previously hidden content.

    Earlier today, Take-Two announced that they had reached a settlement in the case, with the company and its insurer paying out more than $20 million.

    The nut of the allegations contained in the 34-page suit, is that Take-Two was spending more than it was bringing in and couldn't survive until the next Grand Theft Auto. So, the suit alleges, the company pushed Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas out the door knowing that there was pornographic material in the game because delays would have cost the company too much. If the material was known to be in the, the suit continues, major retailers wouldn't have sold it.

    The outcome, according to the suit, was inflated stock prices based on bad or uninformed information from the company and a plunge in stock values when the truth came out.

    The suit also alleges that Take-Two lied about the included sex scenes, nicknamed Hot Coffee, when they first came to light, with the company the scenes were "the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes.'"

    The suit outlines how the value of Take-Two's stock first rose significantly with the release of the game and then began to plummet as the allegations and suits came to light. The suit connects the two, alleging that the company lied during financial statements to try and cover themselves and later key executives profited from inside information while selling company stock.

    It's an interesting read and worth some time if you've been following the Hot Coffee allegations and are interested in a document that ties stock values and company statements to the life-cycle of the controversial sex scene in San Andreas. But do keep in mind that just because the suit was settled, that doesn't mean the contents have been proven or disproven.

    Source: Kotaku.com

    PDF: Class Action
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    I have two questions.

    1. WHO THE HELL CARES??? You have to use a custom content "hack" to release the content, which is softcore or crappy digital hardcore porn at best. Anyone whos tech savvy enough to use the hack is probably watching real porn already.

    2. How hard is it to remove that content from the game? Can't you just remove the files from the dvd or something?

    Although I don't know much about the insider trading. Can't comment on the validity of that.

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    im curious.. anyone know a link that shows the sex scene? im curious as to how bad it is. lol. i never heard about this... interesting

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    Just google or youtube "gta hot coffee".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rart View Post
    I have two questions.

    1. WHO THE HELL CARES??? You have to use a custom content "hack" to release the content, which is softcore or crappy digital hardcore porn at best. Anyone whos tech savvy enough to use the hack is probably watching real porn already.

    2. How hard is it to remove that content from the game? Can't you just remove the files from the dvd or something?

    Although I don't know much about the insider trading. Can't comment on the validity of that.
    You must be confused, you have to hack the PC version, it shipped with this scene in the PS2 version and you didn't need to hack it.

    I had the PS2 version of this game up until about 1 week ago, I tried selling at Gamestop and they declined to take it, because it was the "Adult Rated version", and would give me 0.00 for it and refused to take it even for free...I sold it for a $1.00 to another place, so there are 2 versions of the PS2 one, the adult one is quit expensive on EBAY.
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    Either way, how hard is it to remove that content from the game? Is it really much harder than simply deleting the files from the dvd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rart View Post
    Either way, how hard is it to remove that content from the game? Is it really much harder than simply deleting the files from the dvd?
    They probably manufactured many copies of the game and realized after they were produced. If they discarded those already-produced copies they would have lost money and would have had to delay the release of the game altogether.
    Plus removing content from a game means they have to go through bug testing, etc.


    But, SOL, I don't think teh PS2 version had it at all. It was only in the PC version afaik and needed a hack to unlock it.
    So I don't see what the big deal is with this...



    edit: Actually it was in the xbox and PS2 versions but you had to hack a save file or download a hacked save file in order to play it...

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    Well the big deal is, if Rockstar didn't put the game out on time, the company couldn't survive, they would've failed and we would have never seen GTA:SA, this is the reason for the pushed release, they were in dire money trouble, if they would have discarded all those discs, Take-Two, would not be around today.
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    I have the "adult" PC version and just play the game normal. I tried it once and deleted the hack to unlock it. That Hot Coffee scene was stupid. It's weird how they made a big deal about this and ignored the blowjob scene that is still in the game.

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