Are torrent invite communities really trading in disguise?

[Totti]

Keep it simple Do not ask for invite .... nor make a give away let staff recruit members from different forums ... no one gets disabled for inviting bad users.

If it would work like that staffers would waste all their time answering applicants and not taking care of the site as for what kool said I also don't have any friends that torrent so why should i be denied a specific site if I don't know a user personally (and you know their are allot of people who have invited real life friends to trackers and they cheated/stole ect.... no guarantee can ever be made about an invitee)

[Benjamin]

And saying that Gramdma's Boy is good or even a movie is just ...wrong.

Smoke some marijuana before watching, you will say it's a great movie.

[sez]

i think u hate TTinvite. but i think TTinvite is great community and TTinvite not trade anything like account or invite.

and u know whatcd is forbidden in TTinvite. TTinvite follow tracker rules.

TTinvite never break any Tracker Rules.

lol

[Cabalo]

TTinvite never break any Tracker Rules.

suuuuuure...
I'd even go as far as to say that trackers love the fact it simply exists.

As rart hinted, such sites are hives of traders.
As an example, I remember being at TPS and at some random thread I said I was a member at FTN. During 2 weeks i kept getting random messages of people either a) begging (and i mean, begging) me to invite them or b) people hinting what i would want to get in return to trade that account. FFS...
This at a explicitly non trading forum.

[kooltilldend]

well I'm on a particular site atm currently which is seemingly despised by BCG (atleast)...thankfully, I wasn't outright banned as I have good friends on BCG who told me the scenario beforehand

that said, I see no harm on being a member of any site - or for that matter, using them

its "what" you use the site for which changes everything...trade there and you are a bad user...hell trade here, and you are still a bad user

on the other hand, meet and chat with ppl here and you are good...if you do the same on any other site, then you are still just as good in my books...so banning members for being a member of wherever is a bit harsh but I understand its not always easy to differentiate between users so some liberty needs to be taken at some point

@Totti...precisely my point! just today I was talking to a member who's a member of a certain flac only site and he didn't even know how to rip flac music!...on the other hand, I'm not on the site - have no interest in flac - yet still know how to rip flac...now I've got nothing against that fella (he seemed like a very good guy infact) but I'd like to think, with all other things constant, I probably make a better user than him (assuming I had an interest in flac ofcourse - which I don't so that's that)

as someone once said, the world's a cruel cruel place indeed

[Rart]

ooh fancy thread...well if people don't want invites given thru trades and dislike giveaways as well...then how the heck are people supposed to get into new sites?

i dunno anyone irl who uses torrents...so does that mean I shouldn't be on any tracker anywhere? well I don't trade, my ratio's are fine (mostly anyways lol)...I'm fairly well known (in a good manner) on the sites I care about and so on and so forth...in short, I think I'm a fairly decent user/member who makes for a good person to be on torrent trackers...so just 'coz I know of nobody who uses torrents, it means I don't deserve to get in either?

can't say I agree there

Wow this thread got resurrected

As to the posts about TTinvite (which got this thread back up), whatever the hell that is, please don't turn this thread into flames about it.

KTD, I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Giveaways are fine. When they don't have ulterior motives behind them. If some upstanding member here at FST who doesn't live in the BTinvites section occasionally decides to be generous and do a giveaway based on good will, thats fine (honestly that's a little idealist but as long as it's not blatant it's fine).

The problem occurs when you enter an invite site and the entire perspective changes. No longer are invites given based on good will. Torrent invite forums, in the simplest of terms, turn into a game. It's no longer a place to turn to and "discuss" bittorrent. Everyone is there for one sole purpose: obtaining invites to better sites. People furiously give out invites, often without any care, getting banned when they invited cheaters into their cherished sites. Why do they give out invites so carelessly? Because they want rep points in exchange. That's the root of the problem. Everyone is judged not by their traits, but by a numerical value as impersonal as how many rep points or how many GA threads you have. What's the easiest way to obtain a better status, in order to get the sites you want? Do more giveaways.

In this regard, I find it nearly indistinguishable from trading. People are giving away invites fully knowing and expecting what they will be paid with in return. When they give away invites, they demand rep in return. Ultimately, albeit a bit more indirectly, by exchanging these invites you are getting rep points that will pay you back later with better invites. Trading is the same thing. You give an invite, fully expecting something beneficial to you in return. Where do you draw the line between this kind of behavior and trading? I don't know. Do you?

As a side note, even on sites that seem to fare better than others in terms of discussion, still don't provide me with what I'm looking for. The sites feel stilted at best, as if people are forced to artificially post something they believe is "constructive". I don't want someone to constantly be breathing behind my back and making sure my posts are approved. I want to post whatever the hell I want.

Just my thoughts.

[Ins0Mni4]

Nice way to say it. I think its totally true.

[Cabalo]

Wow this thread got resurrected

As to the posts about TTinvite (which got this thread back up), whatever the hell that is, please don't turn this thread into flames about it.

KTD, I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Giveaways are fine. When they don't have ulterior motives behind them. If some upstanding member here at FST who doesn't live in the BTinvites section occasionally decides to be generous and do a giveaway based on good will, thats fine (honestly that's a little idealist but as long as it's not blatant it's fine).

The problem occurs when you enter an invite site and the entire perspective changes. No longer are invites given based on good will. Torrent invite forums, in the simplest of terms, turn into a game. It's no longer a place to turn to and "discuss" bittorrent. Everyone is there for one sole purpose: obtaining invites to better sites. People furiously give out invites, often without any care, getting banned when they invited cheaters into their cherished sites. Why do they give out invites so carelessly? Because they want rep points in exchange. That's the root of the problem. Everyone is judged not by their traits, but by a numerical value as impersonal as how many rep points or how many GA threads you have. What's the easiest way to obtain a better status, in order to get the sites you want? Do more giveaways.

In this regard, I find it nearly indistinguishable from trading. People are giving away invites fully knowing and expecting what they will be paid with in return. When they give away invites, they demand rep in return. Ultimately, albeit a bit more indirectly, by exchanging these invites you are getting rep points that will pay you back later with better invites. Trading is the same thing. You give an invite, fully expecting something beneficial to you in return. Where do you draw the line between this kind of behavior and trading? I don't know. Do you?

As a side note, even on sites that seem to fare better than others in terms of discussion, still don't provide me with what I'm looking for. The sites feel stilted at best, as if people are forced to artificially post something they believe is "constructive". I don't want someone to constantly be breathing behind my back and making sure my posts are approved. I want to post whatever the hell I want.

Just my thoughts.

Absolutely true. The "yes men" train is the best definition to each discussion that ensues any kind of idea or suggestion.
People are artificially nice to each other, and agree so much with each other, because they have their own agenda, which is to look friendly and later apply for an invite.
There's not really any ideas exchanged there, nor criticisms, just a bunch of people agreeing with each other. And that's crap, people don't agree with each other most of the time, or have different ideas about different subjects. It's the human nature. And at those places it's completely subverted.

Yes, those sites are communities and people don't flame or criticize each other. But is it any fun having to agree with stuff you don't, just for the sake of an invitation for that "dream tracker" ?

[Funkin']

As rart hinted, such sites are hives of traders.
As an example, I remember being at TPS and at some random thread I said I was a member at FTN. During 2 weeks i kept getting random messages of people either a) begging (and i mean, begging) me to invite them or b) people hinting what i would want to get in return to trade that account. FFS...
This at a explicitly non trading forum.

I got the samething at TPS. On two separate occasions. Many pm's, from complete strangers either begging or hinting at trades. In my time here at FST, I've gotten maybe two or three pm's from people asking for an invite. And you would think by how people praise TPS(why? I have no idea) and bash FST, that my experience would have been the other way around.

[Benjamin]

I got the samething at TPS. On two separate occasions. Many pm's, from complete strangers either begging or hinting at trades. In my time here at FST, I've gotten maybe two or three pm's from people asking for an invite. And you would think by how people praise TPS(why? I have no idea) and bash FST, that my experience would have been the other way around.

People go to TPS to get invites, people come to FST to discuss filesharing. I see so many people with hidden agendas at TPS, I've never seen anything like that here on FST. The people here are straightforward... either you come here to trade or you come here to have real discussion with people.