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    Quote Originally Posted by marcwesthkufes
    Money back from Porn-Jamster, Ilove and the greedy Samwer-Multimillionaires
    (from [email protected])
    Who is behind Jamster-Ilove?
    Behind Jamster is the cunning Samwer-Clan, a filthy rich family from a highbred suburb of Cologne, Germany. The clan is led by Sigmar Juergen Samwer, a former lawyer. The old teached his sons Marc, Alexander and Oliver Samwer business methods on the border of legality, by which they should become immensely wealthy within short time. They accepted each means for this purpose. It all began in 1999. As the 3 moneygrubbing Samwer-sons had no own creative business ideas they just imitated the business principle of the US company Ebay in Germany. They sold their imitation-entreprise which they named "Alando" already after 2 months to the US-Ebay for many millions. Thus they were suddenly Euro-multimillionaires. Laden with loot they enjoyed the delights of fast wealthiness at first, then they developped a new ingenious plan: to withdraw children and youths that are contractually not capable or only in a reduced extent money for ringtones, by suggesting them in the advertisements to order a single ringtone, while they are foisted extremely expensive subscription-contracts/ premium sms in reality. In the same way the Samwers offer pricey pornographic services, for example Sperma Love, The tits of a Sado-Maso-Prostitute, I want sex etc. (all these services are offered on the german Jamba/ Jamster Homepage), and horoscopes. The old, Sigmar Jürgen, was immediately enthusiastic and let his sons give him a fruitful position as member of the supervisory board of the new company that was named Jamba (Jamba in Germany and some other european countries, Jamster in the UK and in the USA). Meanwhile he has retired due to reasons of age and is enjoying now a very pleasant evening of life in his chic mansion in Cologne, Germany. He is very thankful to all british and american mothers and fathers that are financing his retirement by their honestly acquired money. To approach the dough of the youths, the Samwers decided in the family council: this is only possible where parents donīt watch over their childs, on music channels, by massive and obtrusive TV-spots. The rich Samwers engaged advertising experts to create an unreadable character height and strange advertising formulations to disguise that the matter were cost-intensive contracts with unlimited duration. These methods that were strongly criticized by jurists caused that hundreds of Millions went from youths to Jamster. Numerous children that had abandoned unnecessary phone calls and SMS to maintain credits on their prepaid cards were fooled by the cunning Jamster methods and lost their complete pocket money.
    See here some of the slippery Jamster tricks, for which the rich Samwers are celebrated in some gossip rags as "succesful and dynamic young businessmen" – but many parents just think that the Samwers are nothing but despiteful cheaters:
    Extensive technical pre-adjustments (WAP-installations) on the mobile phone are required for the reception of expensive Jamster services: whoever is ordering a costly ringtone with wrong wap-installations cannot receive anything. The customer might think in this situation: No service, no costs, I donīt have to pay anything.-But the greedy Samwer-Multimillionaires say: You are wrong, customer! We delivered an expensive ringtone to you after your order. You are to blame for the wrong installations on your mobile phone. Now we want your money. Give it to us!
    The enormously rich Samwer boys try astutely to hamper the detection of the cost-intensive Jamster contracts (premium sms) with unlimited duration by the concerned customers too: the high Jamster fees are not indicated on the first page of the mobile phone bill, but behind, hidden amidst the SMS. When someone is not controlling each single asset of the bill carefully, it is very easy to lose sight of expensive Jamster fees. The megarich Samwers are pleased twofold then: because a customer that does not detect his cost-intensive Jamster contracts with unlimited duration has to pay for a long future firstly, and secondly does not use his expensive subscription of which he is not aware neither, so that Jamster must not deliver any services. Jamster argues that the mere keeping ready of services for download would justify to charge a client that does not order one single service within his expensive subscription the same high fees like another client that is ordering all possible services within the expensive subscription. – In practice we can assume that an entreprise will have less expenses with a customer that does not order anything, and that this factor should result in reduced fees too. But the money-hungry Samwer Multimillionaires do not want to accept such facts.
    After the german telecommunication law has been aggravated, the Samwer clan ist not allowed any longer to use unreadable micro-letters in its TV-spots – many thanks, dear politicians! The Samwer Multimillionnaires are pouting hence, and they refuse until the present day to indicate the necessity of the complicated WAP-preadjustments in their advertisements.
    Just like the first imitation-company Alando the pecunious Samwer-Clan did meanwhile sell Porn-Jamba/ Jamster too to a very rich US-company, here Verisign.
    One day while counting their net profits the Samwer-Multimillionaires had the following idea due to their education at expensive german and international private universities that was paid by father Sigmar Juergen: outside of Germany children that are contractually not capable or only in a reduced extent get pocket money too which will be very useful for the Samwer-Family! – Thus they expanded their astute porn- and ringtone-activities on the business inexperienced children in numerous other nations. Everywhere the complaints of parents and consumer protection agencies accumulate. Impoverished polish and hungarian children supplicate desperately: Our fathers are not as rich as Sigmar Juergen in his villa in Germany. You wealthy Samwers, please give us our pocket money back!
    In the United States of America Porn-Jamster is focused on the money of little helpless children aged 6 to 14 who are watching the funny cildren channel Nickelodeon. Following the website registered office of Jamster US is a post office box in Switzerland! Jamster decoys those harmless childs in a slimy way and promises them free ringtones. These innocent childs do not know yet that there are men like the super-wealthy Samwers that are thinking the whole day long about possibilities to suck children off their pocket money in a way that Mummy and Daddy donīt notice it. When a child is sending just one single sms to the number shown in Nickelodeon, Jamster is debiting all the pocket money mercilessly. If an eight-year-old wants to read the general terms and conditions on the Jamster website before, he has to click away at first all the porn pictures. A courageous father of a 13year-old girl with sense for law and order did not accept the strange goings of Jamster anymore, he reported a complaint of an offence to the police against the rich Samwer-Clique. The renowned chambers Callahan, Mc Cune & Willis is pursueing now a lawsuit at the Superior Court of California against the Porn-Samwers because of misleading advertising. The prestigious chambers is asking clients worldwide to report their personal experiences with Jamster, Jamba, Ilove, Ringtoneking, Verisign and telephone network providers to [email protected] or per Online Document at the website http://www.cmwcomplex.com/jamsterinput.htm. The experienced attorneys from California are preparing succesfully a class-action lawsuit to compensate Jamster victims worldwide. Therefore it is very important that as much injureds as possible respond to the brave US lawyers.
    The shifty Samwer-Multimillionaires always use other company names at their activities:
    Although they had rent a big former storehouse in a grungy district of Berlin (Kreuzberg) very cost-efficiently for many years, they found strange letterbox companies like Jamster or other companies like e.g. Ojom GmbH, Handyfrosch, Ilove, Citydate, Ringtoneking etc.
    Please note: Even a prepaid telephone card does not protect! Wretched german kids experienced even "negative credits" (=debts), when the positive credits were spent. When they booked new money on their card, they merely paid back their high Jamster debts without knowing this cruel fact. The money from these poor childs went immediately on the Jamster bank account in Switzerland.
    Numerous children who had to experience empty prepaid cards after unreckoned Jamster rip off stood at the bus stop and cried despairingly with tears running over their faces, because they had missed the bus and could not phone their parents anymore to fetch them. But this does not disturb the immensely wealthy Jamster-bosses at all. The brats are still able to make a free emergency call for the police, if a child abuser would pop up. Alexander, Oliver, Marc (he himself is already father) – donīt you feel ashamed at all???
    The reputable german politician Renate Kuenast (secretary of consumer protection until 2005) is scathing the business methods of Porn-Jamster: “The ringtone industry is booming especially for the reason that it is exploiting the business inexperience of children and youths.” (http://archiv.tagesspiegel.de/archiv...05/2016722.asp)
    The expensive dating website Ilove (www.ilove.co.uk) ist run by the new-rich Samwers too. There you find umpteen pics of horny girls. But behind many profiles there is not a woman who is honestly searching for a nice partner, but hoggish offerors of expensive telephone-sex-numbers or other value-added-services with extreme high costs. Each person (thus offerors of expensive telephone-sex-numbers too) can insert as many faked female profiles as he wants to, as this is cost free. With many Ilove-Photos you see at first glance that they are taken out from television or movies. Real professional offerers of telephone-sex-numbers do have more sophisticated methods of course to pretend that their profiles are honest and romantic, to cozen simple-hearted men - as nobody will respond to explicit vulgar insertions.
    The cost-performance-ratio at Ilove is constantly becoming worse: In 2004 men could write as many answers as they wanted to at 2,49 Euro a week, meanwhile Ilove claims immense 4,99 Euro weekly, but allows only 30 answers a day. Better go into night life, boys, there youīll be finding real and sweet girls. (Annotation: Figures for Germany)
    How can I avoid the Jamster / Ilove trap or come out of it in a safe way? Here you find the instructions:
    1. Demand a locking of your telephone number for expensive Jamster-Ilove-Services with immediate effect
    Call the expensive Hotline 0870 121 3186 (UK) or 866856 (USA) or dial the telephone number of the Jamster-Ilove Headquarter in Berlin, Germany 0049 30 69 538 – 0 (phone extension 312 Mister Mirko Rehbein) or send an email to [email protected]
    Following the informations of many customers Mr Rehbein is the responsible person for payments of compensation to Jamster-Ilove-Victims. The expensive Hotlines are rolled off to the company SNT AG Potsdam and Berlin, Germany, chairman of the board Stefan M. Knoll; SNT is notorious for its aggressive telephone pushers for raffle tickets – they phone nice grannies with low pension and ring off only when the granny has coughed up her bank details for the SNT debiting – an adequate partner for the Jamster Multimillionaires.
    Demand in angry manner a cost free locking of your mobile phone number for the following costly services: Jamba, Jamster, Ringtoneking, Ojom, Citydate, Handyfrosch, Mload and Ilove.
    Demand a written confirmation of the locking and its duration. (Usually the Porn-Samwers do only lock for 6 months. Just prolong your locking afterwards!) Demand a locking for all the phone numbers in your family! Then the Jamster-Ilove rip-off goes into vacuousness!
    2. If you or your children did already experience Jamster-Ilove rip-off: Demand a refund of the complete sums:
    Send a letter to the following address:
    Jamba/ Ilove GmbH Rechtsabteilung Kundenservice Karl Liebknechtstraße 5 10178 Berlin Germany
    Enclose the following documents: a cover letter, copies of the concerned telephone bills and a declaration that the phone number is one of a prepaid card with a certain network provider respectively, a copy of your identity card, your bank details (for the reimbursement). The Samwer-Multimillionaires want this complicated procedure because they hope that some lazy customers will abandon a compensation of their high Jamster fees then.
    Always use the following powerful arguments:
    I declare under reference to the judgment of the Supreme Court of Vienna, Austria, RS U OGH 2003/05/27 1 Ob 244/02t, that a third person did order a Jamster-Ilove-Service without my consent and that thus this order is legally ineffective.
    This significant court decision establishes that a separate consent of the owner of the telephone mainlines is required for the legal effect of the expensive Jamster-Ilove-Contract, and that the owner IS NOT LIABLE for costly Jamster-Ilove-Orders, even when he commits the telephone to another person voluntarily!
    Thus Jamster-Ilove can not counter that someone who is giving his mobile phone a third person (children, relatives, fellow worker etc.) to use it for telephone calls would be liable to each use of the phone (e.g. the enormous high Jamster-Ilove fees) by this third person. Even when you loose your mobile phone in the street and a stranger abuses it for expensive Jamster-Ilove-Orders, YOU DONīT HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING to the Porn-Family Samwer according to this wise sentence.
    Please do always refer to this important conviction, although you are not living in Austria. Because: In case of an action the courts in other countries will dispense justice by following the same principles of law as the Austrian Supreme Court and thus will confirm this conviction. The old Sigmar Juergen did already explain this to his sons. Therefore the Porn-Samwers will always return all your money sheepishly, when you refer to this austrian sentence.
    Additionally use the following strong argument:
    I declare that my underage child is contractually not capable (or contractually capable only in a lower degree) and that I do explicitely not consent to the contract that was concluded by my child with Jamster-Ilove.
    Legal Transactions of minors are legally ineffective without the consent of the parents, according to the famous german expert for criminal law Udo Vetter (http://www.vetter-mertens.de/ and www.lawblog.de). Jamster-Ilove-Orders done by minors are as long legally ineffective until the parents have agreed to them.
    The porn-dealers Samwer like to make excuses in this point. In Germany Jamster tells that § 110 German Civil Code (so called "pocket money article") would allow children to spend a few Euro for ringtones. For customers in the UK and in the USA they will probably refer to another comparable article. But the filthy stinking rich Samwer-Boys forget one important thing:
    § 110 German Civil Code refers to small singular legal transactions like the purchase of a chocolate bar, a cinema ticket, a CD etc. The german laws interdict children and youths well to conclude longterm contracts. A child is not allowed to conclude a subscription for a magazine nor a contract for a mobile phone. But such contracts have many advantages in comparison to expensive Jamster contracts: a signature is required for the conclusion, the customer is handed out a written escrow with general terms and conditions, the duration is limited.
    And now consider Jamster-Ilove-Contracts: These are cost-intensive contracts without signature, without escrow, with unlimited duration, furthermore they can arise without any service (e.g. the ringtone Crazy Frog)-reception on the mobile phone (in case of wrong WAP-installations), and they effect the full high costs even in case of total disuse (when no single service within the expensive subscription is ordered). – Do the greedy Jamster-Samwer-Multimillionnaires really think, that the legislator does allow an innocent child to conclude such a contract???
    Experiences of aggrieved Jamster-Ilove-Customers have shown, that it is advisable to claim the payment of compensation in an angry manner and to threaten with actions of a lawyer and of media (especially TV channels) if needed.
    Do always demand a written confirmation of all expensive services that were ever ordered by your phone number concerning Jamba, Jamster, Ringtoneking, Ojom, Citydate, Handyfrosch, Mload and Ilove. Demand this for all the phone numbers in your family. Demand a detailed list of all costs and a complete restitution of all sums of money. The refund will (regrettably) be done by bank transfer.
    Mostly Porn-Jamster offers in case of complaints primarily to compensate only a part of the disprofits or to create "virtual Jamster credits" that customers shall use for other costly orders. But you donīt have to settle for a partial refund nor for queer virtual credits for Jamster-Stuff! Demand always self-consciously and in angry manner the restitution of ALL amounts without any gap!
    Did Jamster-Ilove remunerate you in the past already a part of your high Jamster fees, while you had to pay the rest? – Demand now an additional retroactive restitution of the lacking sums! Just search for your old telephone bills and calculate, how much money you had to shell out to the Samwer-Multimillionaires despite of the first partial refund. Call Jamster-Ilove as described above (in refer to the sentence of the Supreme Court of Austria RS U OGH 2003/05/27 1 Ob 244/02t and because of orders by minors) to restitute the complete lacking sums retroactively! Attorney Udo Vetter states on this, that Porn-Jamster-Ilove is obliged to restitute all sums retroactively in case of contracts that require a supplementary consent (of the parents), even when the incident occured months or even years ago! Fetch back your hard-earned money from the greedy hands of the super-rich Samwer-Multimillionnaires!
    Demand additionally a cost-free locking of all phone numbers in your family for expensive Porn-Jamster-Ilove-Services as described above.
    In case of further questions just contact the next consumer advice centre or your legal protection insurance. They know there already how they have to speak with the voracious Samwers.
    The business methods of Jamster-Ilove on the border of legality are increasingly denounced in media. Even in the very famous german TV-show "Stern TV" with Guenther Jauch there was an enlightening report in April 2005: The greedy porn-merchants Alexander, Oliver and Marc Samwer did not dare to go into public and to take responsibility for their business. They forwarded the fussed Markus Berger de Leon as representative and watched in their safe home on the couch what the mentally overstrained Berger de Leon launched out. Extremely nervous to be in television and lacking any legally vindicable argument, Berger de Leon was nothing but stammering confused stuff. When the versed attorney Udo Vetter (www.lawblog.de) was telling him in a two fisted way that Jamster contracts with underage persons are juridically effectless, Berger de Leon almost started to blubber. He was immediately afraid of loosing his juicy Jamster-Ilove-Salary.
    There are more and more frightening evidences that Jamster-Ilove commits defraud on persons that have never ordered a Jamster-Ilove-Service but have to pay the high costs for expensive contracts. Read the outrageous story on the german website
    http://biggs.hr-online.de/website/fe...nt_%7C46345%7C
    How wealthy are the Samwers really, who are always pretending to be very frugal? They like to appear in media with the image of thrifty students. According to the reputable german newspapers Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) and Handelsblatt each of the 3 Jamster Brothers has encashed 4,2 Mio. Euro when "Imitation-Alando" was sold to Ebay and at least 9,5 Mio. Euro when Jamba/ Jamster was sold to Verisign. Thus each of the brothers owns 13,7 Mio. Euro after deductions so far!!! But the cormorant Samwers donīt have enough yet and strive still for more dosh from the real indigent pupils all over the world.
    You find a description how to get cool ringtones really cost free on the german website
    http://don.antville.org/stories/1047219/
    How can I reach the greedy Samwer-Multimillionaires personally to tell them off? – The official german telephone directory helps us concerning two members of the clan:
    Alexander Samwer, Hackescher Markt 2, 10178 Berlin, Germany, Tel.0049 30 28 09 5065
    Sigmar Juergen Samwer, Lindenallee 45, 50968 Cologne, Germ. Tel. 0049 221 92 57 510
    The permanent pression by legal procedures, critical media reports, the lawsuit in the United States and the constantly rising expenses by payments of compensation to Jamster Victims that are successfully fetching back their money from the porn company by following the instructions in this guideline, became too much for the three brothers in the meantime: the multimillionnaires will resign in June 2006. The new Managing Director will be the nervous Markus Berger de Leon. But is Berger de Leon up to the mental stress at all in case of a legally binding conviction in the USA, when he is only dithering and stuttering in a relatively offenceless german TV show?
    Please hand on this guide to all your friends world-wide! Translate it in all languages, hang it out in schools, publish it in other web forums and blogs, mail it to all like-minded people!
    Demand a RESTITUTION OF ALL Porn-Jamster-Ilove AMOUNTS (retroactively too) because of legal ineffectualness (in reference to the wise sentence of the Supreme Court of Austria RS U OGH 2003/05/27 1 Ob 244/02t and because of conclusion of the contract by minors)!
    DISABLE ALL TELEPHONE NUMBERS in your family with immediate effect for costly Jamster-Ilove-services! Because: Only a locking is the ultimate protection. The more consumers disable their numbers, the more the greedy Porn-Jamster-Ilove rip-off goes into vacuousness!
    Mail the brave attorneys in the USA how Jamster-Ilove ripped you and your children off, by using [email protected] (in English). This will help our friends in California to succeed in their great class-action lawsuit against the greedy Samwer-Multimillionaires!!!

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    Seriously tho', I knew those jamba people were dodgy, 'cos you have to be a sadist to come up with those ringtones.
    Last edited by Snee; 01-26-2006 at 12:34 AM.

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    Tried out Acoustica when Damnatory mentioned and its great but looking at SureThing seems to have more features. Going to have to check that out also now...Thanks.I would like one also to check it out if either of you can send me one...I think I had used some version of the original KMD and noticed quite a few user names being klite.
    I then searched for the app and installed it and found the forum in the Web page links...I would like one also to check it out if either of you can send me one...The two of you can buzz me on MSN if you want...I dont think there is as its swap or chip as far as I know or try an emu for pc...
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