Are you mad at the Snitch??

[Rart]

I am man enough to admit what my real action would be under different situations, I don't hide myself behind fake ethical talk like you do.

I think I'm man enough to admit that I feel like a girl (wut?)

I finally took the time to read through this thread and wow... I'm surprised at the things you guys have gone through. For christs sake, I feel bad when I throw my bottle in the trash can rather than in the recycling. Perhaps that's from the hippy town I've been raised in and grown to love. I think if I did anything that even hinted of the cops my Asian parents would outcast me for life.

One question I would like to raise, perhaps more toward the original topic: why would the cops care if the "snitch" admitted he got the DVD's from the UKT? First off, there are thousands of brainless idiots that could get pirated material off Google, let alone one of the most low key private trackers out there. Thousands of people pirate and sell DVD's everyday, and UKT has absolutely nothing to do with it. Most of this originates from the scene, and torrent sites have absolutely nothing in common with DVD counterfeiters. There are thousands of counterfeiters and the scene seems to be the source of movies making it to the market: why bother with a insignificant torrent site?

[megabyteme]

megabyteme, don't you consider your full-on tedious assault upon Benjamin to be somewhat pointless, given that every word posted in this thread falls firmly into the cantons of hypotheticals?

You're lynching him upon things he's never done and likely never will.

Perhaps you're too consumed with your philosophy papers to clearly see straight.

Yep it's hypothetical here. So are a lot of our discussions. My problem with it (Benny) stems from its attempts at making snitching acceptable. We have seen others with the same leanings.

If you are already willing to bend over in a hypothetical discussion how much of a complete ball-sucking bitch will they become in a real-life situation?

It's gotta go something like this scene from The Girl Next Door. Where Benny is the porn slut. http://video.aol.ca/video-detail/eli...id=VIDURVMOV04

I am also deviating from my normal, mostly polite style to emphasize how some of us think about its kind. I would not piss on it if it were on fire. In fact, I'd go to the store and buy marshmallows and hope it was still screaming in pain and burning when I returned.

As for sez's comment, it would be a different concept all together if snitching meant "sharing the blame equally". That is not the case. The snitch gets off light and the ones snitched on get extended sentences that they would not have had because the cops did not have sufficient evidence to give them those charges or sentences. Snitches really fuck people over.

[cinephilia]

snitching may be acceptable if you're not the only responsible though.
why would you take responsability for other's actions besides yours?
would you spend a xx months sentence just for being proud to say "i'm not a rat"?

[Albo Da Kid]

What it boils down to I guess is "Personal beliefs". Some people believe that snitching is ok in certain circumstances, and some believe that it's never ok.

[pone44]

Good point. Is like someone bringing you their car and asking you to fix it. You get pulled over driving it back to the person or test driving it and it was a stolen car or whatever. Depending on the relationship you have with the person, would you tell the truth, give a name or man up and take the hit?
There a thin line in every scenario.

snitching may be acceptable if you're not the only responsible though.
why would you take responsability for other's actions besides yours?
would you spend a xx months sentence just for being proud to say "i'm not a rat"?

[megabyteme]

I think there is some confusion on the actual definition of the word "snitch".

Webster's definition of "snitch" here .

Noun 1. snitch - someone acting as an informer or decoy for the police.

The accurate use of the word "snitch" has to do with someone who is working with the authorities with the pretension that he/she is one of the law breakers. The informant, or "snitch" then turns on his partners in the crime and receives a lesser sentence, or is not charged by those authorities. There is also the situation where someone was initially party to the "act" and turns on his/her partners after the fact.

The above is from me in an older thread.

[kallieb]

^^Good point Pone44. There is a thin line in every scenario. We can take the abstract holier than thou ground that "i am against snitching" period. And then RL hits. MGM - you mentioned you have twins on the way. You ready to do time in jail while your partner gives birth alone, to save the ass of some dumbass? Let's say somewhere along the line in Grad school you (or anyone for that matter) are unfairly named in some incident which goes against the admissions/eligibility rules. You had a role but an innocent one but they're outing you - think you did it and you damn well know who did. You're threatened with academic discipline if you don't out the guilty party. Are you ready to get drummed out of grad school or have a massive black mark on your academic record on the basis of some dumbass, rather than "be a snitch". These can be rhetorical questions to anyone, or anyone can answer as they see fit. Fill in the 'example' with anything meaningful to your personal life and then look back again at this 'I'd never snitch' position and in almost all instances - we will think twice. The consequences of our choices reverberate beyond our own moral convictions. We cannot look at our choices in isolation and rely solely upon our values. There is a domino effect. There is an expression that fits very well here: The only difference between a coward and a hero, is one step sideways. How I read this is, making a choice on what way to act is a split second decision. We can armchair postulate all we want - but at the end of the day, it is what is going on in our life and the domino effect of our choices, that will determine how we act. Each of us can be either a hero - or a loser. It all depends on the moment. Saying that our values an a predictable absolute is fine and dandy in a perfect world. RL is much more complicated.

[megabyteme]

Hi kallie,

As usual, you bring good arguments to the table. I believe you were writing while I posted the definition of "snitch" above. Your scenario involves clearing your name from something that you did not have involvement in. That is not snitching.

Snitching involves escaping punishment for something that one did, by giving up information on others involved. Law enforcement takes that additional info and turns it into a more solid case against your partners in the crime.

There is nothing wrong with clearing your name. That is expected and good.

Knowingly committing a crime and screwing over your partners in that crime is cowardly and violates trusted relationships. Those are not acceptable actions.

[Intr4ns1t]

^^Good point Pone44. There is a thin line in every scenario. We can take the abstract holier than thou ground that "i am against snitching" period. And then RL hits. MGM - you mentioned you have twins on the way. You ready to do time in jail while your partner gives birth alone, to save the ass of some dumbass? Let's say somewhere along the line in Grad school you (or anyone for that matter) are unfairly named in some incident which goes against the admissions/eligibility rules. You had a role but an innocent one but they're outing you - think you did it and you damn well know who did. You're threatened with academic discipline if you don't out the guilty party. Are you ready to get drummed out of grad school or have a massive black mark on your academic record on the basis of some dumbass, rather than "be a snitch". These can be rhetorical questions to anyone, or anyone can answer as they see fit. Fill in the 'example' with anything meaningful to your personal life and then look back again at this 'I'd never snitch' position and in almost all instances - we will think twice. The consequences of our choices reverberate beyond our own moral convictions. We cannot look at our choices in isolation and rely solely upon our values. There is a domino effect. There is an expression that fits very well here: The only difference between a coward and a hero, is one step sideways. How I read this is, making a choice on what way to act is a split second decision. We can armchair postulate all we want - but at the end of the day, it is what is going on in our life and the domino effect of our choices, that will determine how we act. Each of us can be either a hero - or a loser. It all depends on the moment. Saying that our values an a predictable absolute is fine and dandy in a perfect world. RL is much more complicated.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You have shed a very good light on the bigger picture and I thank you for that. It's easy to get caught up in the idea of absolutes, but, in truth, every single situation is different. Each situation has different parameters that must be taken into account in a decision, and to forget that is dangerous.

[Bad-Day]

cinephilia is the snitch!