Are you mad at the Snitch??

[Benjamin]

No. Turning on TL, mininova, or ANYONE else is just as cowardly and stupid. Just because UK-T was a liked (elitez) site does not mean it deserves more "protection". You keep your mouth shut regarding yourself AND everyone else. Period.

Don't try to fool yourself into thinking that ratting on anyone is EVER justified. Don't be a part of fucking ANYONE over.

No offense but that's just internet talk, not real at all. As far as my friends and family go, I would kill for them. But fuck the rest. Naming a site like thepiratebay or any other known site would be a courtesy because they have smart staff who wouldn't be affected by it.

[megabyteme]

Dude, check your ETHICS.

sometimes, fear is stronger than ethic.
years ago, i got caught 6 months after stealing "some stuff" with an acquaintance.
the cops prompted me to say it was all his fault and that i was just an impressionnable partner in order to sentence him and to reduce my responsibility - it was far from being his first offense if you know what i mean.
well, i've been interrogated 4 times: first, they tried to be friendly as possible with me but the situation has quickly escalated and they tried to hurt me (they even beat me on the face repeatedly) but i was strong enough not to crack under the pressure.
i didn't crack but honestly, i couldn't blame someone who can't resist to such an agression. in this kind of situation it's not a matter of ethic anymore but it's a matter of character.

Thanks for the story, cine. I will admit that things are different (softer) in the US, Canada, and elsewhere. I might have a bit more sympathy for those who break under real pressure or physical duress. And you are certainly right about character being involved. I think it can even be said that ethic is a sub-set of character.

Either way, you are the kind of guy I can trust. Someone who understands friendship, and not hanging others out to pay for your crimes and your "word".

I find it very upsetting to read posts of people who are not even under any kind of duress already justifying how they would turn on someone else. I think it is pretty easy to sort those people out in this thread.

Edit- to Benjamin. No, it isn't just "internet talk". Several of us have at one, or more, times faced jail time and cops. We did not turn on our friends and we did not lie about anyone else. I'm sure your family appreciates that you would be "unethical" in their name, but I am certain they would not think too highly of someone who lied about you to reduce his/her sentence. What you think is a good idea at the time opens you up for some serious retaliation later. Nobody protects a "rat".

Anyway, just throwing out some ideas that you probably have not had to deal with. Hopefully you never will.

[Benjamin]

Edit- to Benjamin. No, it isn't just "internet talk". Several of us have at one, or more, times faced jail time and cops. We did not turn on our friends and we did not lie about anyone else. I'm sure your family appreciates that you would be "unethical" in their name, but I am certain they would not think too highly of someone who lied about you to reduce his/her sentence. What you think is a good idea at the time opens you up for some serious retaliation later. Nobody protects a "rat".
Anyway, just throwing out some ideas that you probably have not had to deal with. Hopefully you never will.

I was talking about snitching on people outside of friends and family, as you clearly stated you shouldn't rat ANYONE out. I am sure the person who named UK-T was sent straight to witness protection to prevent the violent retaliation of staff.

[kooltilldend]

No. Turning on TL, mininova, or ANYONE else is just as cowardly and stupid. Just because UK-T was a liked (elitez) site does not mean it deserves more "protection". You keep your mouth shut regarding yourself AND everyone else. Period.

Don't try to fool yourself into thinking that ratting on anyone is EVER justified. Don't be a part of fucking ANYONE over.

No offense but that's just internet talk, not real at all. As far as my friends and family go, I would kill for them. But fuck the rest. Naming a site like thepiratebay or any other known site would be a courtesy because they have smart staff who wouldn't be affected by it.

well I think the first thing here is how you define friends...for some people, friends are only those they hang-out with everyday, see face to face and so on...i.e. not just "internet friends"

well for me (and I'm sure I speak for many others) I have friends I have never met online (or perhaps just once or twice) who I would rate just as well...I would def. care for them and would do all I can to make sure they don't face any harm as a result of my actions and most def. would absolutely never "rat" on them

clearly this guy didn't see UK-T (or any of its members) under the same light...but really, in such cases, such a person shouldn't even be on the site - let alone being able to cheat on the site and its other users - who genuinely cared about the site (and for each other)

that's just my opinion though

[megabyteme]

I was talking about snitching on people outside of friends and family, as you clearly stated you shouldn't rat ANYONE out. I am sure the person who named UK-T was sent straight to witness protection to prevent the violent retaliation of staff.

I seriously meant nobody. TPB, Jimmy Hoffa, Mother Teresa, The Easter Bunny, et al. You simply do not say anyone's name. Even if they are already under suspicion/surveillance/arrest, or on death row. I do not know how to make this much clearer...

x=person, persons, or organization

Do not rat on "x". Period. Ever.

y=circumstances

Do not rat on x, even if y. Period. Ever.

[wantonhero]

I have mixed feelings. On one hand, the supposed rat involved himself in mo money mo problems, which makes him a loon who violates the tenants of the community at large, and thus is properly labeled a c***sucker.

On the other hand, he got in somehow, so does that mean I have to grudge against that person who invited him, or the person that invited them? Was it lack of discretion by omission or commission?

Basically, the guy put a lot of good people at risk, and that makes me madder than the tracker going down. Whether or not you buy into the community aspect, there is a warm body on the other end of every bit you download, and he put each of us in jeopardy through cowardice and avarice. That, I can not abide.

[Benjamin]

I was talking about snitching on people outside of friends and family, as you clearly stated you shouldn't rat ANYONE out. I am sure the person who named UK-T was sent straight to witness protection to prevent the violent retaliation of staff.

I seriously meant nobody. TPB, Jimmy Hoffa, Mother Teresa, The Easter Bunny, et al. You simply do not say anyone's name. Even if they are already under suspicion/surveillance/arrest, or on death row. I do not know how to make this much clearer...

x=person, persons, or organization

Do not rat on "x". Period. Ever.

y=circumstances

Do not rat on x, even if y. Period. Ever.

If I am facing major time and I have my lawyer conduct a reduced sentence deal that involves me ratting someone I don't care about, you know what me and everyone who is real would do. It's obvious you're all talk trying to be an e-thug or something.

[megabyteme]

If I am facing major time and I have my lawyer conduct a reduced sentence deal that involves me ratting someone I don't care about, you know what me and everyone who is real would do. It's obvious you're all talk trying to be an e-thug or something.

No. I am trying to get through to you that you would not want to be sitting in a cell because someone lied about you.

You've never been arrested and you have already decided to roll over... You think that is respectable? Will actually benefit you and your family?

Feel free to read my previous posts. I'm not a thug, e- or otherwise. Actually, I am a grad student earning a MA in Communications. A significant amount of my studies have revolved around philosophy. I've spent far more time reading about and discussing ethics than I care to remember.

I was also not the best behaved teen you will ever come across. I have spent time with the court system. I am typically very effective in defending myself in front of a judge. A background in philosophy is VERY helpful if you ever have to do so.

Rolling over on someone is a punk thing to do. And I can almost guarantee that you will not get to just walk away and live your life while someone else sits in jail. You roll on someone, you will find your name mentioned next time someone else needs to make a deal. You screw someone over like that and your name will get spread around.

If you got screwed over, wouldn't you try to get back at them?

[TrackerDaddy]

True sad storry. sorry for all of you UK-T members..
will hope one day you will raise again in some form or another

[Benjamin]

If I am facing major time and I have my lawyer conduct a reduced sentence deal that involves me ratting someone I don't care about, you know what me and everyone who is real would do. It's obvious you're all talk trying to be an e-thug or something.

No. I am trying to get through to you that you would not want to be sitting in a cell because someone lied about you.

You've never been arrested and you have already decided to roll over... You think that is respectable? Will actually benefit you and your family?

Feel free to read my previous posts. I'm not a thug, e- or otherwise. Actually, I am a grad student earning a MA in Communications. A significant amount of my studies have revolved around philosophy. I've spent far more time reading about and discussing ethics than I care to remember.

I was also not the best behaved teen you will ever come across. I have spent time with the court system. I am typically very effective in defending myself in front of a judge. A background in philosophy is VERY helpful if you ever have to do so.

Rolling over on someone is a punk thing to do. And I can almost guarantee that you will not get to just walk away and live your life while someone else sits in jail. You roll on someone, you will find your name mentioned next time someone else needs to make a deal. You screw someone over like that and your name will get spread around.

If you got screwed over, wouldn't you try to get back at them?

I would never put myself in a situation where somebody could snitch on me. I never said anything about lying. Thanks for assuming I haven't been arrested though. Nobody cares about being respectable when it comes to staying out of prison. I understand though, philosophy is usually all ideas/theories and is almost never applicable to the real world. So I apologize for calling you an e-thug, the correct name would be philosopher. As for retaliation, there are hundreds of ways to avoid that.