Are you mad at the Snitch??

[sez]

This

So I apologize for calling you an e-thug, the correct name would be philosopher.

[kallieb]

I'm not suggesting I know anything at all about this specific issue, and till now whether there was or not a person and this particular event brought down the site should clearly be considered - at this point - speculative.

What is interesting, however, are the two main themes arising: 'what would you do if' and 'if that happened to me i would do...' (more emphasis on the latter I should add). What drew me to post is on that basis.

Imho, it is very difficult to judge another's actions unless you know the full circumstances surrounding it. Armchair quarterbacking is such a luxury, and not as congruent as we would like to think if ever you or I happened to be in that same situation.

Those who have been under the hot lights hinted at this, and I consider their thoughts far more than someone who is just speculating at what they would do if in a similar situation. But experience aside, no two persons situations are the same.

The possibility of a fine/criminal charges can have little or great meaning to someone depending upon their personal circumstances. How much someone has to lose is often the barometer to what actions and choices we will follow.

The techniques of police interrogation should not be under regarded: Fear, and isolation, basic human nature and the blowback on how someone will react to the possibility of criminal charges/fines/possibility of imprisonment makes for a powerful combination which can shape our actions in a manner that can go completely against what we thought we would do when all we had was the luxury of speculation.

If a crim charge/fine meant that a person's life path which they are close to entering or completing would go for a massive flush, who among us are prepared to throw away something so central to the life we want for ourselves. For some jobs, having a crim record period, slams shut doors. For others, it would mean conflict within the family that they aren't prepared to risk, or stir up.

Enough of my drawn out explanation. Point is made.

[sez]

I'm not suggesting I know anything at all about this specific issue, and till now whether there was or not a person and this particular event brought down the site should clearly be considered - at this point - speculative.

What is interesting, however, are the two main themes arising: 'what would you do if' and 'if that happened to me i would do...' (more emphasis on the latter I should add). What drew me to post is on that basis.

Imho, it is very difficult to judge another's actions unless you know the full circumstances surrounding it. Armchair quarterbacking is such a luxury, and not as congruent as we would like to think if ever you or I happened to be in that same situation.

Those who have been under the hot lights hinted at this, and I consider their thoughts far more than someone who is just speculating at what they would do if in a similar situation. But experience aside, no two persons situations are the same.

The possibility of a fine/criminal charges can have little or great meaning to someone depending upon their personal circumstances. How much someone has to lose is often the barometer to what actions and choices we will follow.

The techniques of police interrogation should not be under regarded: Fear, and isolation, basic human nature and the blowback on how someone will react to the possibility of criminal charges/fines/possibility of imprisonment makes for a powerful combination which can shape our actions in a manner that can go completely against what we thought we would do when all we had was the luxury of speculation.

If a crim charge/fine meant that a person's life path which they are close to entering or completing would go for a massive flush, who among us are prepared to throw away something so central to the life we want for ourselves. For some jobs, having a crim record period, slams shut doors. For others, it would mean conflict within the family that they aren't prepared to risk, or stir up.

Enough of my drawn out explanation. Point is made.

and you never disappoint

I fully agree with you that context is indeed everything.Its kinda injudicious for anyone to suggest that ethics should pulverize all else regardless of corollary.

[megabyteme]

I would never put myself in a situation where somebody could snitch on me. I never said anything about lying. Thanks for assuming I haven't been arrested though. Nobody cares about being respectable when it comes to staying out of prison. I understand though, philosophy is usually all ideas/theories and is almost never applicable to the real world. So I apologize for calling you an e-thug, the correct name would be philosopher. As for retaliation, there are hundreds of ways to avoid that.

So you have been arrested AND you are decided to snitch on someone in case it happens again. Thanks for clarifying that.

Philosophy is very effective in staying out of jail. You don't screw anyone over (for one) and if you are up against a judge, you can make reasonable arguments as to why you are not a scumbag. It works pretty good.

Best of luck in you continued efforts to "avoid retaliation".

Some of us don't have to constantly look over our shoulders AND if we happen across a mirror, we can stand to look in it. How's that for you?

At first, I thought you were just a naive kid and was trying to teach you how to be a man. Now you have convinced me that you are a low-life. Nice job! At least you are doing a GREAT job of showing everyone how a rat justifies its existence. Or maybe you are not really a rat, just an e-rat wannabee.

If that is truly how you conduct yourself in life, I am certain you will get yours. And you will cry like a little girl when your shit comes back to you.

Edit- And I would like to remind people of my early post regarding individuals who have already gone outside of the community. I mentioned that selling pirated DVDs makes one a non-community member.

Ethics are most important BEFORE getting yourself into serious trouble. Screwing someone else over to save your own ass is seriously messed up. Yes, there is context. IMO, you have already made your bed when you have gotten to the point where you are given the choice to "rat" on someone. I hope that some people uphold some integrity when faced with situations that have great affect on others.

I am actually quite startled by those who see being the conduit for someone else's misery acceptable.

Edit2- Granted, there is a lot of stuff in philosophy that may, or may not be, usable. Logic, ethics, and existentialism are all very valuable! I've mentioned before that I have gotten more of my "bigger questions" answered in communications than I did in philosophy. However, this is one situation where all of the BS gets set aside. You have put yourself in a bad situation. In order to get out of the situation, you become DIRECTLY responsible for putting someone in a worse position than you currently are. If that is the case, all of those things that make you think you are a decent, kind person are all SHIT.

I get into a lot of discussions around here and TBH, most of them are really just academic time killers. This is one that seriously bothers me. I am very disappointed at the "quality" of the community members who are already decided that they will fuck anyone over to save their own skin.

[cinephilia]

Thanks for the story, cine. I will admit that things are different (softer) in the US, Canada, and elsewhere. I might have a bit more sympathy for those who break under real pressure or physical duress.

actually, i didn't use the right word. i've been slapped, not "beaten" (there's a big difference). sorry

[megabyteme]

Thanks for the story, cine. I will admit that things are different (softer) in the US, Canada, and elsewhere. I might have a bit more sympathy for those who break under real pressure or physical duress.

actually, i didn't use the right word. i've been slapped, not "beaten" (there's a big difference). sorry

That's alright, cine. It sounds like a lot of westerners get weak when faced with bright lights.

From the posts here, I think a slap might kill some of these people. If not, it would at least get them to turn on anyone they ever met.

All things said, you are the kind of guy I would want as a RL friend. Frankly, many of the other posters are making me sick right now.

Gawd, I hope that they are in a minority and the honorable ones are just keeping quiet. Now that I think about it, that WOULD be in character for them, wouldn't it?

Edit- So what people who are "thinking about reality" (from posts above) are really saying...

"I'll be your friend- as long as there is no real cost to me."
"I'll be honest- as long as there is no real cost to me."
"I'll be trustworthy- as long as there is no real cost to me."
"I'll be brave- as long as there is no real cost to me."
"I'll think of others- as long as there is no real cost to me."
"I'll be responsible for my own actions- as long as there is no real cost to me."

I'm sure there are more, but it is a good start.

[Benjamin]

So you have been arrested AND you are decided to snitch on someone in case it happens again. Thanks for clarifying that.

I never clarified anything to you. We were having a debate over what to do in a given situation, and suddenly ... you stated that I have never been arrested. I said you were assuming things. You read my response and now according to you I have been arrested and plan to snitch the next time it happens.
In reality, I never told you whether or not I have been arrested, it's just you guessing information.

Philosophy is very effective in staying out of jail. You don't screw anyone over (for one) and if you are up against a judge, you can make reasonable arguments as to why you are not a scumbag. It works pretty good.

People here are talking about real situations. All you are doing is preaching philosophy values that are not practical in the world. Does it make you feel special or something? By the way, I highly recommend you get a real lawyer to speak for you if you are ever in trouble.

Best of luck in you continued efforts to "avoid retaliation".
Some of us don't have to constantly look over our shoulders AND if we happen across a mirror, we can stand to look in it. How's that for you?

You really have a gift for random assumption.

At first, I thought you were just a naive kid and was trying to teach you how to be a man. Now you have convinced me that you are a low-life. Nice job! At least you are doing a GREAT job of showing everyone how a rat justifies its existence. Or maybe you are not really a rat, just an e-rat wannabee.

At first, I thought you were just a regular FST poster expressing his opinion and I was trying to have a discussion with you. Now you have convinced me that you are a desperate dude trying anything and everything to get the upper hand in an argument.

If that is truly how you conduct yourself in life, I am certain you will get yours. And you will cry like a little girl when your shit comes back to you.

I actually think that you will be the one to cry like a little girl if you ever get into a real situation and your idealistic views fall apart.

Ethics are most important BEFORE getting yourself into serious trouble. Screwing someone else over to save your own ass is seriously messed up. Yes, there is context. IMO, you have already made your bed when you have gotten to the point where you are given the choice to "rat" on someone. I hope that some people uphold some integrity when faced with situations that have great affect on others.

I am actually quite startled by those who see being the conduit for someone else's misery acceptable.

I am sure everyone here appreciates your ethical views on life. You are really down to earth and you don't just talk about things. If you say something is messed up, you are absolutely right. [/sarcasm]

Edit2- Granted, there is a lot of stuff in philosophy that may, or may not be, usable. Logic, ethics, and existentialism are all very valuable! I've mentioned before that I have gotten more of my "bigger questions" answered in communications than I did in philosophy. However, this is one situation where all of the BS gets set aside. You have put yourself in a bad situation. In order to get out of the situation, you become DIRECTLY responsible for putting someone in a worse position than you currently are. If that is the case, all of those things that make you think you are a decent, kind person are all SHIT.

No, it's not one of those situations. That is a situation in your fairytale land. People's facing years of prison is a real situation. But to answer your made up situation, I would be directly responsible for putting someone in a worse position. For a guy who studies philosophy, you don't seem to know much about it.
One of the basic principles is "There is no right or wrong, only religion." I think I learned that in 5th grade, and you still haven't understood it.

I get into a lot of discussions around here and TBH, most of them are really just academic time killers. This is one that seriously bothers me. I am very disappointed at the "quality" of the community members who are already decided that they will fuck anyone over to save their own skin.

Everyone here is telling you the same thing I am. They may be not be as direct as I am, but they feel the same way about the situation. You are just delusional.

[megabyteme]

Benjamin,

I'll just leave what I said and you can leave what you said. You did say something, right? Because you seem to have never said things one way or another...yet you are more direct than most people. Anyway, you defined yourself as someone will roll over on others. I have been arguing that is never acceptable. You can pick and choose- and I expect your tolerance for onus is very limited.

You feel it is acceptable to let someone else do your time if it will save your ass. That makes you a piece of shit in my book. Sorry I mistook you for a decent kid earlier. I also am sorry for anyone who gets fucked over by you because you feel that it is "OK, situationally".

I seriously hope that those who haven't had the "pleasure" of getting to know your stance on the topic get as far from you as possible. To know you is to potentially get fucked over by you.

People can reread the thread to see if they agree with me.

[Benjamin]

Benjamin,

I'll just leave what I said and you can leave what you said. You did say something, right? Because you seem to have never said things one way or another...yet you are more direct than most people. Anyway, you defined yourself as someone will roll over on others. I have been arguing that is never acceptable. You can pick and choose- and I expect your tolerance for onus is very limited.

You feel it is acceptable to let someone else do your time if it will save your ass. That makes you a piece of shit in my book. Sorry I mistook you for a decent kid earlier. I also am sorry for anyone who gets fucked over by you because you feel that it is "OK, situationally".

I seriously hope that those who haven't had the "pleasure" of getting to know your stance on the topic get as far from you as possible. To know you is to potentially get fucked over by you.

People can reread the thread to see if they agree with me.

Every single person who has heard my stance on this topic has completely agreed with me except you. I am man enough to admit what my real action would be under different situations, I don't hide myself behind fake ethical talk like you do.

[megabyteme]

I can honestly say I am happy I do not know you. I would hate to be anywhere near you when you needed someone to pay for something you have done.

Good riddance. And no, I'm not the only one who feels this way.

BTW, it's cute how you jumped on the philosophy thing. It's one part of my life, its one part of my education.