Well said that man.
If one side is the Right and the other side is middle of the road....the Balance given will be to the Right....
When Fox gives the Palestinian argument, for example....maybe i'll listen.
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Well said that man.
If one side is the Right and the other side is middle of the road....the Balance given will be to the Right....
When Fox gives the Palestinian argument, for example....maybe i'll listen.
An It Harm None, Do What You Will
A very good point.Originally posted by Rat Faced@21 October 2003 - 06:15
If one side is the Right and the other side is middle of the road....the Balance given will be to the Right....
en(un)lightened
A very good point.Originally posted by Billy_Dean+20 October 2003 - 16:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 20 October 2003 - 16:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@21 October 2003 - 06:15
If one side is the Right and the other side is middle of the road....the Balance given will be to the Right....
I must say, though, that when a representative/advocate of/for each side is given free rein to forward an argument, the liberal side suffers by comparison.
Granting that the Israel/Palestine question is not (nor should it be) the exemplar of what constitutes a "two-sided" issue (as it is most assuredly not), there are many others which support my supposition.
When the liberals argue head-to-head with conservatives, they lose.
Rat-
Balance cannot be "given" to either side. "Weight" accrues to the credible and thoroughgoing exercise of logic and reason.
It seems to me that on the occasion a conservative argument irrefutably trumps a liberal view that the conservative case is penalized by those who are inclined to disagree as having been unfairly credited.
In most arguments there is a winner and a loser, as in, let's say, a soccer match.
For the most part, the winning side wins because it is better prepared, better conditioned, more talented, or in some other way just plain superior to the losing side.
If this is acceptable on the soccer pitch, why not in the media?
In the case of the BBC, I have difficulty with both "sides" of a case being presented by a single anchor/reporter. I have seen this done often (though not always) on the Beeb.
The presumption of balance and fairness is, in that circumstance, off-putting, though I have to grant the Beeb is usually covering issues relative to U.S. foreign policy, a different game than domestics; I look forward to seeing how the BBC covers our next year's presidential election.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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The recall coverage was amusing. Although from what I've seen, even the Democrats are pretty damn conservative.
things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
so, he does
the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
-- WW2 for the l33t
en(un)lightened
How so, MN?Originally posted by MagicNakor@21 October 2003 - 00:11
The recall coverage was amusing. Although from what I've seen, even the Democrats are pretty damn conservative.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
I second MagicNakor there, I find US politics starts a little right of the middle. This is almost true of Australia, the Labor party here starts a little left of the middle, but not much. A true left wing government is hard to find nowadays, and basic services tend to suffer because of it.
On the Peripheral
How was the recall coverage amusing? Well, a few of the news guys were pretty brutal. I don't have anything on hand to write up, though. Never really thought to do it. And This Hour Has 22 Minutes had been looking for material.
I think the conservative angle in US politics has to do with the country's Puritanical roots.
things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
so, he does
the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
-- WW2 for the l33t
en(un)lightened
Magicnakor-quote:
How was the recall coverage amusing? Well, a few of the news guys were pretty brutal. I don't have anything on hand to write up, though. Never really thought to do it. And This Hour Has 22 Minutes had been looking for material.
There was a definite conflict between the "This shouldn't be allowed to happen!" affrontage, and the "This is the BEST thing to happen to politics in YEARS!" fans (I confess to being one of the latter, although in sober moments I can construct arguments for both sides); the REALLY hilarious part was both conservative and liberal commentary was more-or-less equally divided between the two. I predict history will not yield a consensus view on this point.
I think the conservative angle in US politics has to do with the country's Puritanical roots. Just so-good catch, MN. The Democrats seem to have more in common with the Royal Conservatives than they do with the New Democratic Party (which is the most "serious" left wing party we've got). The Liberals run straight down the middle, which is why they've been in power for so long. People who are liberal-conservatives and conservative-liberals vote for them.
American liberals, would, if given free rein, run far-left socialist, MN. Any perception to the contrary is fomented so as to counter any momentary cultural resistance.
BTW-if you haven't read TREASON, by Ann Coulter, give it a go. If you THINK you know about McCarthyism, or American liberalism, you will be enlightened, I promise.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
On the Peripheral
How do you know?
Specific books are difficult to find around here. I'd have to go up to the city, an hour's drive on a good day, and hope to find it.Gas prices prevent me from doing that right now.
Although I did saw the first few pages on Amazon. I found it pretty amusing. Even though I never linked the old McCarthy era with the current, it's accurate enough. Instead of the Reds under the beds, it's the terrorists (and some object of furniture that rhymes with it, I suppose). I do have to question the use of 8 Mile to poorly illustrate a point. Unfortunately the little preview cut off before I could be told how fighting Communism, Allah, and terrorism was good for the people of (and thus it ends).
Oh goody. I found it online. Now I'll know which people she was talking about.
Edit: After my programme on Richard I is finished.
things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
so, he does
the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
-- WW2 for the l33t
en(un)lightened
Hmmm.
Try to forego your own cynicism before reading it?
While I'm on this tack, check around for the books "The Quest For Cosmic Justice" and "The Vision of the Anointed", by Thomas Sowell.
If you can find them, read them first.
After Richard I, of course.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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