What.cd and Waffles.fm

[Eargasm]

I think like the functionality of what.cd is better than that of waffles. That's not to say that waffles isn't great.

I am especially fond of the gazelle tracker, and that always pushed me towards what.cd.

The community at both are pretty good, IMO. I'm happy to be a member at both, though waffles is more the backup music hydra head.

[wheeloftime]

to my mind cheating on trackers is the antithesis of sharing

How do you know I don't do my best to share legitimately regardless of cheating, which is the case? I may cheat, but that's mostly a last resort when torrents just don't seem to seed, not a way to have ratio requirements not apply and be able to leech for free.

And no, we aren't going to agree on this either.

I never expected to agree with you on this matter anon. I am surprised that my views are so at odds with the majority of members who have posted in this thread on the matter. I have said repeatedly that the admiration and praise that you recieved when you joined shocked me and I suspect it also surprised you.

I am also surprised that so little effort is put into analysing the views you express. You justify your cheating as a last resort and post how you disagree with those that use cheating solely as a means to hit n' run, whilst appearing to take no responsibility for the fact that it is the clients you design and the website you are staff on that allows those same people to do what they do.
You say you only cheat when you have to and therefore are a ‘sharer’ too, but the cynic in me wonders whether you simply do this to lessen the chances of getting caught cheating.
Instead, it feels to me, that members are more interested in rushing to protect your freedom of speech if they feel someone is attacking that (which I wasn't). I regret my first comment in this thread, I shouldn't have called cheaters cunts, but I have a chest infection and was coughing up blood on that day, so perhaps I wasn't in the best frame of mind to be posting. However I feel everything I have said since has been justified.

I am really uncomfortable being part of a community where someone with your views has been so openly accepted and so have decided that I will no longer visit this site - obviously this means I won't be responding to any reply you make to this thread. There are other things in my life that I should be devoting more time to anyway.

I would like my account here to be deleted but know that this site doesn’t delete accounts (I’ve never understood why).

[pone44]

Hope you get better and stop cheating. What's the point? To raise your ratio, is that worth losing the site entirely?

[Benjamin]

I am really uncomfortable being part of a community where someone with your views has been so openly accepted and so have decided that I will no longer visit this site

This is why FST is awesome, everyone can post their own opinion, and people like him can leave

[optimus_prime]

he is not just poor brazilian boy cheating because his line sucks.
he is a cheater that's actively creating community, educating and supplying tools for people to cheat.

and that's not even remotely comparable to traders. traders got their bad rep exactly because they unknowingly invite cheaters.

cheaters ruin filesharing by bringing speeds down and exerting the same load on trackers like other users. if you want your scc to act like mininova pm anon for instructions.

[IdolEyes787]

How do you know I don't do my best to share legitimately regardless of cheating, which is the case? I may cheat, but that's mostly a last resort when torrents just don't seem to seed, not a way to have ratio requirements not apply and be able to leech for free.

And no, we aren't going to agree on this either.

I never expected to agree with you on this matter anon. I am surprised that my views are so at odds with the majority of members who have posted in this thread on the matter. I have said repeatedly that the admiration and praise that you recieved when you joined shocked me and I suspect it also surprised you.

I am also surprised that so little effort is put into analyzing the views you express. You justify your cheating as a last resort and post how you disagree with those that use cheating solely as a means to hit n' run, whilst appearing to take no responsibility for the fact that it is the clients you design and the website you are staff on that allows those same people to do what they do.
You say you only cheat when you have to and therefore are a ‘sharer’ too, but the cynic in me wonders whether you simply do this to lessen the chances of getting caught cheating.
Instead, it feels to me, that members are more interested in rushing to protect your freedom of speech if they feel someone is attacking that (which I wasn't). I regret my first comment in this thread, I shouldn't have called cheaters cunts, but I have a chest infection and was coughing up blood on that day, so perhaps I wasn't in the best frame of mind to be posting. However I feel everything I have said since has been justified.

I am really uncomfortable being part of a community where someone with your views has been so openly accepted and so have decided that I will no longer visit this site - obviously this means I won't be responding to any reply you make to this thread. There are other things in my life that I should be devoting more time to anyway.

I would like my account here to be deleted but know that this site doesn’t delete accounts (I’ve never understood why).

Again I fail to see any acceptance of anon-sbi's practices.As for analysising what he has said that requires little effort as does me coming to the conclusion that whatever I say to dispute anything here is a waste of breath.

Edit:decided to waste breath .

I'm against cheating but I'm not against allowing debates about it. I'm also against trading,lying ,indiscriminate giveaways and stupidly and narrow-mindedness and yet all of those seem to flourish here.
Also as stated ( wasting a lot of breath here since no one did) if anyone took the time to read my previous comments they would see that anon-sbi is only allowed to remain so far as I don't determine that he is actively promoting cheating here.
GoD save us from cheaters and God save us from the unreasonable .Hallelujah.Amen.

[The_Martinator]

to my mind cheating on trackers is the antithesis of sharing

How do you know I don't do my best to share legitimately regardless of cheating, which is the case? I may cheat, but that's mostly a last resort when torrents just don't seem to seed, not a way to have ratio requirements not apply and be able to leech for free.

And no, we aren't going to agree on this either.

I have to LOL at this. Hard. There are hundreds of trackers out there, where you can get the same stuff, some are even no ratio...

Not a way to have ratio requirements apply? What, do you have your upload speed capped to 1 KB/s? I have had little or no problems keeping a ratio, even at hard to seed sites, by simply seeding for a long time AND downloading what I want. By cheating you're basically saying that the ratio requirements don't apply.

It's obvious you won't agree with me on this, since you have your mind set on you doing "the right thing".

PS: I don't think you're a genious. I think you're someone with too much time, however.

[anon]

I have said repeatedly that the admiration and praise that you recieved when you joined shocked me and I suspect it also surprised you.

Yes, kind of. A part of me as well as the rest of the SB-I Staff expected an instaban. Fortunately, I was allowed to stay (although with disabled privileges at first, since it appears someone else was using the same proxy as me), the same way I'd allow you to post what you think about cheating on my board as long as you do it on an intelligent, non-spam way. I mean, we're even allowing tracker staff to have their own accounts there, so people can know who they are, and that they can speak for the tracker.

I am also surprised that so little effort is put into analysing the views you express. You justify your cheating as a last resort and post how you disagree with those that use cheating solely as a means to hit n' run, whilst appearing to take no responsibility for the fact that it is the clients you design and the website you are staff on that allows those same people to do what they do.

Yes, I make mods for a popular BitTorrent client that basically report increased stats (if any) to the tracker. But it's perfectly possible to leech and hit & run without this even being acknowledged on the tracker with the official version, and anyone with a slight amount of networking knowledge should find out how. I won't say it here, of course, but it basically allows you to appear as having downloaded 1MB of the wrong torrent, while you can leech that 10GB game at full speed without ratio worries. And this is without modding of any sort. So it's perfectly possible to hit & run and go unpunished without using a mod. The fake upload reports (or lack thereof) my mods offer come for free.

You say you only cheat when you have to and therefore are a ‘sharer’ too, but the cynic in me wonders whether you simply do this to lessen the chances of getting caught cheating.

No, it's because I want to share. I'm knowledgeable enough to leech whatever I want without uploading a single byte and not get caught if I wanted to. Actually, the more experienced you become with cheating, the more you realize about the damage you cause if you hit & run.

I am really uncomfortable being part of a community where someone with your views has been so openly accepted and so have decided that I will no longer visit this site - obviously this means I won't be responding to any reply you make to this thread. There are other things in my life that I should be devoting more time to anyway.

...than discussing the morality of whether to upload or cheat to be able to keep on pirating stuff. I understand.

To raise your ratio, is that worth losing the site entirely?

You'll never get banned if you do it correctly. You do get banned for having a low ratio, though (although some trackers are relaxed about ratios, and a few even give second chances).

he is not just poor brazilian boy cheating because his line sucks.
he is a cheater that's actively creating community, educating and supplying tools for people to cheat.

I won't deny that. Seems you know a lot about me

and that's not even remotely comparable to traders. traders got their bad rep exactly because they unknowingly invite cheaters.

I thought the ones that didn't know enough got their "bad rep" inviting people they don't know as long as they have a good offer, a group which can include cheaters, leechers, anti-P2P, or simply perfectly good users that wanted to get inside the tracker that was being offered, and saw trading as an option.

Again, I'm not a trader, so I couldn't tell you.

cheaters ruin filesharing by bringing speeds down and exerting the same load on trackers like other users. if you want your scc to act like mininova pm anon for instructions.

If you want your SCC to act like Mininova, unplug all seedboxes.

Oh, and I think I won't be able to reply to PMs at the moment.

I have to LOL at this. Hard. There are hundreds of trackers out there, where you can get the same stuff, some are even no ratio...

Yes, I'm at some ratio-free sites and don't cheat on those. However, either I picked the wrong places or they're only full of one-seeder torrents, which even if they are 1Gbit seedboxes don't serve me well as my connection is shaped. Retention and peer activity also aren't the same as on ratio trackers.

Not a way to have ratio requirements apply? What, do you have your upload speed capped to 1 KB/s? I have had little or no problems keeping a ratio, even at hard to seed sites, by simply seeding for a long time AND downloading what I want.

That's great and I'm happy for you, unfortunately it wasn't my case on some sites.

By cheating you're basically saying that the ratio requirements don't apply.

Well, there's a known saying on the cheating community - "with the right tools, every tracker is ratio-free".

It's obvious you won't agree with me on this, since you have your mind set on you doing "the right thing".

If not agreeing means explaining how my experiences haven't been the same as yours, then I guess not.

PS: I don't think you're a genious. I think you're someone with too much time, however.

I didn't expect you to, and yes, that's right - currently I have a lot of free time.

[The_Martinator]

Hm, I have to say you can present arguments. But I still have to point something out: you say that retention is not as good on ratio free trackers. Guess what, you're ruining retention of torrents by cheating at ratio sites (OK, I'm presuming that you stop seeding right after your modded clients "does its thing" here, as you are well aware most cheaters do).

Btw, I'm a big fan of keeping stuff alive by seeding for a long time.

PS: My upload speed is 25 KB/s. Beat that!!

[anon]

(OK, I'm presuming that you stop seeding right after your modded clients "does its thing" here, as you are well aware most cheaters do).

Then you're wrong.

PS: My upload speed is 25 KB/s. Beat that!!

Mine's supposed to be 32kB/s, but I can't get it to increase from 20.