What.cd and Waffles.fm

[wheeloftime]

PS you don't know that he cheats on trackers even if he tells you so outright .
Or as mentioned that he is even anon-sbi for that matter.IF you believe the person can't be trusted why do you believe he is even who he says he is?

With anybody on internet forums you have to make a judgement call as to whether they are lying or not but based on his previous posts and the fact it wouldn't be that difficult to check simply by visiting his site, I think we both know it's him.

Personally if I'm tracker staff ( or me which I happened be) I'm a lot more concerned about this bollocks than anything anon-sbi si going to say here.

https://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-invite-giveaways-and-requests-90/t-6x-revtt-5x-torrentleech-7x-bit-hdtv-380887

Although I agree from a tracker security viewpoint this appears far worse (I have a rather random theory as to why Anon is bad for security which I will expand on in a minute), the intentions of the OP in the thread you highlight couldn't be more different to Anon and his buddies. The guy in that thread is misguidedly trying to help his fellow torrenters in what appears to be quite an altruistic way. Unfortunately one of his invitees will probably be someone like Anon and he will end up losing his precious accounts.

In a previous post Anon spoke about his site and gave people hints about how to find it so they could judge for themselves (something I don't think he would do if he was an imposter). Being curious I did as he said and googled it, this took me straight to a thread entitled something along the lines of ' Can I use cheat client ABC to cheat at ('elite' hard to seed at) tracker XYZ.' The replies included ones such as ' I got banned at that tracker 4 times when I used cheat client EFG, but I now use cheat client ABC and it works fine', and others such as 'Hell yeah, I've faked 10tb up at that tracker with no problems using ABC'. The first thing this made me think was 'shit, that first guy has had 5 accounts so far at that tracker', which then led me to realise that if you can fake 10tb up then it is easy for these people to get into the most extreme user classes and produce invites like they are candy. They have giveaway threads on Anons sites too, but unlike the thread that you highlighted were the guy seems to want to invite 'good' users, the criteria on his site seem to be simply that the invitees know how to cheat without getting caught.

Something occured to me when talking about security issues that was way outside the box (and therefore probably completely wrong). I realise that the major recording studios have all probably agreed to let agencies like Brein have permission to download and seed their movies when infiltrating torrent sites in order to maintain there cover. But if you were ever prosecuted for downloading a film, and you found out that one of the people you were downloading from was a Brein operative, wouldn't there be a case for entrapment? Also if you infiltrate a site one of your next goals would surely be to produce invites so you could get more of your people inside and also the higher up in the user classes you become the more of a 'trusted' member you would become which I assume is also one of their goals. Cheating clients that allow you to climb user classes and produce invites whilst at the same time allowing you not to become embroiled in the actual act of pirating would seem on the surface to be a bit of a godsend for these agencies. This to me seems logical, but I may have completely missed an obvious flaw in this argument, however I can't see one. I would think therefore that someone like Anon who, from what I have read, designs some of these cheat clients and then makes them available to anyone that wants them is a far greater threat to tracker security than someone giving away a few invites in a giveaway thread.

[emperorIX]

I highly doubt that this method of infiltration is anywhere near ideal. Wouldn't it be easier for an anti-piracy org to simply join fst, make a few posts and respond to a giveaway where the poster is giving away an invite to anybody that asks for it?

I'm also quite certain that entrapment would only apply to law enforcement and most definitely not to the private agencies acting on behalf of the industry lobby groups. If they're given permission to share the files, then they can remain a contributing member of any torrent site, harvesting info and ips for the inevitable takedown.

Back on topic. What is easier to navigate and is more organized (Gazelle), has more features, much more activity, many many more uploads, and I find the communities equally friendly and helpful in both trackers.

[anon]

First of all: I don't have access to the invite areas, so I can't check what's going on that thread and make my own judgement. Sorry about that.

In a previous post Anon spoke about his site and gave people hints about how to find it so they could judge for themselves

Call it hinting if you will, but I'm not even mentioning names of the members/staff from my board other than mine (which yes, is almost the same I'm using here), or cheating mods/tools. The most "sensitive" thing I have posted is part of the URL for the thread on SB-I where people explained why they cheat, and their points of view on that, as well as trading, etc. I remember I also said something like "we're first for a lot of 'how to cheat on (tracker)' search queries", which is an undeniable truth, as pointed out by that FSF article on "ratio hacking". My intention wasn't to have more people cheat on trackers, but show how a Google search can lead you to how to do so, just as for almost everything else.

Being curious I did as he said and googled it, this took me straight to a thread entitled something along the lines of ' Can I use cheat client ABC to cheat at ('elite' hard to seed at) tracker XYZ.' ...

If it's the same tracker I'm thinking of right now, on my eyes it deserved all the cheating it got, but let's take my personal point of view apart. Assuming you've read my other post, you'll already know what I think of people that cheat because they can or think it's cool to flash 10TB in a few minutes. So I'll save my keyboard some service life and won't type the same over and over again. Not to mention trackers where you may have such an uploaded amount, but zero invites unless you upload content, donate, win a contest, etc.

They have giveaway threads on Anons sites too

There are only two threads, one of which is locked (as well as all the others on its same section, since we implemented a new invites area you don't immediately have access to upon registering).

but unlike the thread that you highlighted were the guy seems to want to invite 'good' users, the criteria on his site seem to be simply that the invitees know how to cheat without getting caught.

Either that you don't cheat or do it correctly, yes. It sounds pretty sensible to me considering that on some trackers you face the consequences if your invitee is caught cheating.

Cheating clients that allow you to climb user classes and produce invites whilst at the same time allowing you not to become embroiled in the actual act of pirating would seem on the surface to be a bit of a godsend for these agencies. This to me seems logical, but I may have completely missed an obvious flaw in this argument, however I can't see one. I would think therefore that someone like Anon who, from what I have read, designs some of these cheat clients and then makes them available to anyone that wants them is a far greater threat to tracker security than someone giving away a few invites in a giveaway thread.

Have you checked the leaked MediaDefender source code? They had created some of the most advanced cheating/leeching clients and tools before I even knew what a private tracker was. They would be able to cheat their way to higher userclasses and invites even if SB-I (or any other cheating board) didn't exist.

By the way, my name's "anon", not "Anon".

[OlegL]

So, anon-sbi, judging from the fact that you weren't banned from what.cd yet, I assume you are a smart cheater.

[IdolEyes787]

Like I said as long as anon-sbi respects the rules here and doesn't bring up his other associations or unless asked directly about it condone cheating then I believe his contributions outweigh the negative of his mere presence here.
Besides although it may make you and others feel better what possible effect does me banning him here have?
If a future ban is necessary though at least I have been provided with the perfect line -"I will see you anon"

[anon]

So, anon-sbi, judging from the fact that you weren't banned from what.cd yet, I assume you are a smart cheater.

Yes, you could say so, although I'm on my third What.cd account right now. I lost the first one to a stupid mistake and the second one to thinking their scripts were the same as one year ago. Time passes...

If a future ban is necessary though at least I have been provided with the perfect line -"I will see you anon"

I have a better one - "right on anon"

[nperversion]

What.CD all the way

Although it's quite hard to build a decent ratio unless you can upload some rare content rips.

[Skiz]

Can someone please enlighten me* on what the difference is between these two seemingly alike music trackers?

*Me being someone who don't have an account on any of these two sites

They are both large music sites so if you're interested in downloading music, I recommend you not pick just one. I suggest getting into both as it isn't that difficult and the two sites compliment one another.

What.cd is without question my favorite out of the two. It is vastly more organized and is a pleasure to browse.

I can't comment on the "community" or anything else though as I just use them to steal files.

[anon]

Although it's quite hard to build a decent ratio unless you can upload some rare content rips.

They have a list of albums that are only available on FLAC. You can transcode them to V0, V2, 320, etc. and get some upload.

[cinephilia]

Although it's quite hard to build a decent ratio unless you can upload some rare content rips.

They have a list of albums that are only available on FLAC. You can transcode them to V0, V2, 320, etc. and get some upload.

seems you forgot that he needs to dl the flac first before encoding it. V0, V2 or 320kbps, no matter, the final size will be smaller than the original rip so in the end, he would loose out (plus he's not even sure his files will get dled).
i'd rather suggest to get flac or mp3@320 rips from torrents.ru or any of the numerous ddl boards & blogs available on the net and upload them on what.cd.