I've been banned at all the major sites at least twice

**puckface** · 01-22-2010, 02:35 AM

I dont know what anything has to do with anything, but i just saw two words that should never be in the same sentence... 'private' and 'forum' . Its an oxymoron. I have always laughed at such things.

**Rart** · 01-22-2010, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by puckface

I dont know what anything has to do with anything, but i just saw two words that should never be in the same sentence... 'private' and 'forum' . Its an oxymoron. I have always laughed at such things.

Exactly. It's not the blatant elitism at these sites. Or the fact that they seem to constantly berate FST at every turn. Or any other matter of faults that others seem to point out.

The primary beef I have with "private" forums, whether invite oriented or not, is simply that singular word. Private.

Forums were made for open discussion. Look it up in a dictionary, and other than the public marketplace of a Roman city, the two other primary definitions you'll find are "A public meeting place for open discussion", and "A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website". The foundation upon which forums were built was the fact that users of any age, any size could collaborate together to provide discussion, opinions, insight, or support in any manner of topics to which the forum pertains. Shove this type of setting into a forced environment of a few hundred members and all you're left with the rehashed opinions of a few individuals. No forum can achieve its real purpose by simply limiting themselves from growth. This growth from the attaining of new members is what keeps ideas fresh, brings in new opinions, and creates new discussion.

Unfortunately, when shoved into the elitist world of private bittorrent, where smaller is better, all perspective is lost. Warped into their own little world with an inflated sense of self, they pretty much lose all sight of what a forum really should be, reflecting possibly the most ugly truth of BT.

**Quarterquack** · 01-22-2010, 03:04 AM

The problem was that the word Forum needed to be redefined for trackers. I'm sure not too many people would be happy if the RIAA/MPAA decided to walk in and start reading about how we all just casually pirated the latest movie in theaters only because we could.

The only reason any of these sites are private, is because of user security, and the harder to get into the site, the more secure it is. That's the fundamental reason for having levels, it seems people rank trackers as collectibles forgetting that the levels are more an indication of safety than they are of quality.

Call me an elitist prick if you want to, even though it's not true. I would actually prefer private forums when it comes to torrenting. Although, I despise it when they get too small and lose the essence of a community. Normally 20,000-25,000 users is optimal for me to enjoy a tracker's community.

**Rart** · 01-22-2010, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by ringhunter

The problem was that the word Forum needed to be redefined for trackers. I'm sure not too many people would be happy if the RIAA/MPAA decided to walk in and start reading about how we all just casually pirated the latest movie in theaters only because we could.

The only reason any of these sites are private, is because of user security, and the harder to get into the site, the more secure it is. That's the fundamental reason for having levels, it seems people rank trackers as collectibles forgetting that the levels are more an indication of safety than they are of quality.

Call me an elitist prick if you want to, even though it's not true. I would actually prefer private forums when it comes to torrenting. Although, I despise it when they get too small and lose the essence of a community. Normally 20,000-25,000 users is optimal for me to enjoy a tracker's community.

Oh I'm not talking about private sites overall. I understand the need to have a tracker that's closed in order to protect it's security. It's the certain "BT" sites that are purely private forums (little to no emphasis on being a tracker) that really get on my nerves.

**Cabalo** · 01-22-2010, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Artemis

Originally Posted by Cabalo

I would like to see who has the guts for that and step forward with the identity they use at the places they like to brag they "have". (See the "have" instead "belong"? All those people are mostly baseball cards collectors).

Here they have no momma to go and hide under the skirts, and they face some intellectual challenge, which doesn't seem to happen at the place Idol was talking about.

Besides, those who say they stopped posting here, because they found their "home", are mostly those who collect "memberships" and pretend to be leet and diss the place where they started at. May I remind you that most of the users such sites recruit started here. Period.
Those people are hypocrites and deserve no respect.

Yeah, I'm Cabalo, you can go and read about me at such places. If I'm hated there, I take it as a compliment. It means I don't part with hypocrites, idiots and above everything, pubescent kids.

I for one have been here almost as long as you Cabalo, and my attitude has never really changed, but then I did not 'start' here and FST has always been more of a place to meet people than to get anything.
Those that feel 'leet' because they belong to some websites seriously need to take a look at their personal value system because that is pathetic.
I will try and keep this post short and to the point though since there seems to be a great deal of A.D.D. amongst the readers.
There seems to be far more revolt bashing here on fst than the reverse is true on revolt and I have been a member of that forum for a very long time as well. Often this comes from screenshots of the forum which include a thread which is 'how to bait a trader' This is a thread (and sub-forum) which was locked over a year ago and included posts largely from a group of 'trader-hunters' all now banned from revolt for being.....wait for it..... traders themselves.
The simple difference between FST & Revolt is that one is a public forum where anyone can sign up the other is a private one and the other obvious difference is that FST allows trading while Revolt does not. They do not 'actively hunt' or 'bait' traders and sadly the history of this can be traced to a small group who were covering their own trading by hunting traders themselves.....personally I find this far more disgusting.
I for one though am happy to answer anyones queries about revolt, to remove the stigma and the half-assed stories about the forum, but I find it a paradox that members here can be so angry and vitriolic about somewhere else that they do not know much about like revolt, yet if revolts members respond in kind (occasionally) then the world is coming to an end ?

A forum is what the members make out of it. Some also dislike this forum solely for its members, others for its policy, others because of their staff (most useless reason ever, as I don't give a fuck what people are told about me, and neither any of those I part with).

Some members of revolt are banned here. baT (aka ben99) and h2o (aka bad-day) were personally banned by me for not abiding by our rules, and generally acting like douchebags. Our rules, as you know, must be the most lax in the web, or nearly.
Many could make such interpretations that some revolt members come here to stir shit, though I'm sure anyone grown up enough wouldn't take the part as the whole. Obviously, such people don't represent a place, they're just institutionalized crap, who are sheltered there. (see the analogy to what is said about fst?)

Now, I have been proposed to be invited to revolt in the past, and I declined. Real story. Mostly the reason was that I had enough forums to post at, which is not exactly true as I only post here, but I wasn't really in the mood. This was way before some asswipes got pissed on me when I told them to fuck off when I was "asked" to join their "trader hunting" crew. Most dissing on me comes from those times, and I'm to this day very proud of myself for not having associated with such lowlifes. You know, the ones you saw at another recent thread related to a site shutdown. Damn, I could have been really cool and ass kissed on the bt world. Though, I opted to do the right thing, and not betray my personal beliefs on the chosen path to trail, and that goes against what a lot of people who are in the bt for the wrong reasons thinks.
And pardon me, I see a lot of them at revolt (too). Collectors, hardcore traders (I personally know of a couple there), cheaters, etc. If we consider that altogether, it's not much different than FST, they just behave in a different way, but the essence is the same. Not saying it is revolt's creator's fault, but many people share the exact some places.
Yeah, obviously I do have access to what's being said there, so saying I don't know the place doesn't apply.

If you want to read pathetic, hypocrite and lie infested posts, go read post #165843 there. From a person this forum trusted and helped protect his site from preying eyes without ever asking anything in return. If you think this is a decent thing to say...

Those are the kind of posts that reassure me, even further, that I'm on the right side of the "fence".

Sorry if my ideas don't connect that much, but I admit I had a whisky too much. Or as someone says, I'm a dyslexic, retardedly speaking guy.

**bumrocks** · 01-22-2010, 05:25 AM

I have always spoke openly in private forums.

There are traders everywhere. Some places they have to hide and some they don't.

You can never make sez see any other point of view but his own.

Just because you have friends in the BT world and more specifically staff friends DOES NOT mean you are a kiss ass and fall all over yourself to accept their teabags.

I have been at Revolt for 44 weeks and nobody has ever mentioned anything in any regards to hunting traders...And you know my history...

Before the last Revolt thread here I had never seen any mention of FST at Revolt. More bashing goes on here by its members about other sites then anywhere else. Yes, I understand it has that many more members but even so the ratio is still off the charts in comparison, imo.

I was torrenting and in private sites 3 years before I was a member here.

Derailed thread once again...Way more prevalent at this site than any other, that I am aware of. Private sites are way less tolerant of this and for good reason.

Don't get me wrong. I like FST. A part of me likes the drama. Part of me hates it. Part of the reason why you see me come and go...Sometimes I am tired of the shit going on and I fade away. But then again I come back to read the shit or jump in with it.

There are people here that take shit way too seriously. Way way too seriously. Even fooling themselves into believing that they aren't serious. If not fooling themselves then trying to fool others by hiding behind non serious statements that they are totally serious about. Confusing shit i know...Confusing myself!

The OP opened himself up for the bashing and whatever he got he probably had coming...Wtf are we now (including myself) bashing on everything from other users to private forums.

Come the fuck on...Get shit together. This thread is now a fucktard.

**IdolEyes787** · 01-22-2010, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by bumrocks

There are people here that take shit way too seriously. Way way too seriously. Even fooling themselves into believing that they aren't serious. If not fooling themselves then trying to fool others by hiding behind non serious statements that they are totally serious about.

I hope that isn't about me but I understand if it is .I do take certain things seriously but hopefully nothing bt related.

Can we talk about something else now like Jay Leno not being funny or something?

**bumrocks** · 01-22-2010, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Originally Posted by bumrocks

There are people here that take shit way too seriously. Way way too seriously. Even fooling themselves into believing that they aren't serious. If not fooling themselves then trying to fool others by hiding behind non serious statements that they are totally serious about.

I hope that isn't about me but I understand if it is .I do take certain things seriously but hopefully nothing bt related.

lol...Definitely not talking about you...As I and most everyone else in the BT world say, you are an exception. Even spoken highly of recently, at Revolt, by people who are not here (or not regulars here)...

The statement really was a general one and not specific to any one person...Too many are this way. I don't have enough fingers for that amount of pointing.