What is it with 'exclusive' torrents?

[ca_aok]

It all ends up with these people with ratios of around 16 complaining about how the guy with the seedbox and a ratio of 1.13 is "overseeding"

How can anyone with a ratio of around 16 complain about anyone else overseeding?

I could link you to actual forum posts if you were a member where I was thinking I understood the general idea as being "well my ratio is that high because of how many albums I upload, these overseeders are stealing the upload from my own torrents".

[Burnsy]

I could link you to actual forum posts if you were a member where I was thinking I understood the general idea as being "well my ratio is that high because of how many albums I upload, these overseeders are stealing the upload from my own torrents".

Some things just defy logic

I very much doubt I'm a member of wherever it is you're thinking of mate, I don't belong to any 'uber leet' trackers that I'm aware of, and if you can't refer to it then I know I'm definitely not but I can well believe you

My own statement:

How can anyone with a ratio of around 16 complain about anyone else overseeding?

was really one of incredulity...

[That1Guy]

Yeah I personally dont really get the mentality behind forbidding stuff to be upped elsewhere (especially packs made of a bunch of scene stuff). But I still respect the site/uploader enough that I follow that rule when it's there. If something a site does bothers me enough, I just use another site :shrug: .

[Burnsy]

I still respect the site/uploader enough that I follow that rule when it's there.

Yeah, same here... just because I don't agree with the ruling/site policy, it doesn't mean I'd just blank it and carry on regardless...

[puckface]

I still respect the site/uploader enough that I follow that rule when it's there.

Yeah, same here... just because I don't agree with the ruling/site policy, it doesn't mean I'd just blank it and carry on regardless...

I fully agree with following the rules and the encoders wishes, I was just curious about what others thought and if they found stealing other peoples' stolen stuff made sense.

[kukushka]

Yeah, same here... just because I don't agree with the ruling/site policy, it doesn't mean I'd just blank it and carry on regardless...

I fully agree with following the rules and the encoders wishes, I was just curious about what others thought and if they found stealing other peoples' stolen stuff made sense.

if you steal exclusive pack with a content stolen from scene, it's already triple stealing

[Burnsy]

To be honest... I don't even see an argument FOR exclusivity...

Either it's some sort of 'Scene Pack' which has been thrown together and claimed as a Trackers own release.... which is crap as not only is it just a collection of already available releases, but it's also stolen as well...

OR

It's an encoders own encode, which has been produced from a stolen source, then uploaded in a community initially designed for sharing... how can you claim exclusivity for that? As I said earlier... if you don't want your work made available elsewhere then either don't encode, or don't release it into an environment designed for 'sharing'... I'm pretty sure someone else will encode it who doesn't care if there work is released in other places.

I really don't see how anyone can steal something then moan if it gets 'stolen' from them... I'd love the logic explained to me The only caveat I would put on that would be that the file names should at least stay the same... people renaming releases/encodes/files to look like their own work is a big no-no

[puckface]

To be honest... I don't even see an argument FOR exclusivity...

Either it's some sort of 'Scene Pack' which has been thrown together and claimed as a Trackers own release.... which is crap as not only is it just a collection of already available releases, but it's also stolen as well...

OR

It's an encoders own encode, which has been produced from a stolen source, then uploaded in a community initially designed for sharing... how can you claim exclusivity for that? As I said earlier... if you don't want your work made available elsewhere then either don't encode, or don't release it into an environment designed for 'sharing'... I'm pretty sure someone else will encode it who doesn't care if there work is released in other places.

I really don't see how anyone can steal something then moan if it gets 'stolen' from them... I'd love the logic explained to me The only caveat I would put on that would be that the file names should at least stay the same... people renaming releases/encodes/files to look like their own work is a big no-no

My EXACT point. Thanks.

[Castronaut]

To be honest... I don't even see an argument FOR exclusivity...

Either it's some sort of 'Scene Pack' which has been thrown together and claimed as a Trackers own release.... which is crap as not only is it just a collection of already available releases, but it's also stolen as well...

OR

It's an encoders own encode, which has been produced from a stolen source, then uploaded in a community initially designed for sharing... how can you claim exclusivity for that? As I said earlier... if you don't want your work made available elsewhere then either don't encode, or don't release it into an environment designed for 'sharing'... I'm pretty sure someone else will encode it who doesn't care if there work is released in other places.

I really don't see how anyone can steal something then moan if it gets 'stolen' from them... I'd love the logic explained to me The only caveat I would put on that would be that the file names should at least stay the same... people renaming releases/encodes/files to look like their own work is a big no-no

I guess some trackers might throw together a bunch of packs, and mark them as exclusive in the hope that people will flock to their tracker in order to become part of the tracker with the so called amazing packs.

I don't agree with it, though. Sharing is caring <3 By all means claim credit for the rip/encode/upload, but how about we let everyone get a chance to sample your work?

[dvdasacd]

I mostly agree with dvdasacd's post. My personal opinion is that the rule (especially in the case of packs of scene or previously released content) is a cancer on the BT community. In the case of the music exclusivity sites, I think it's a cancer not because the rule itself is terrible, but as a sign of a larger problem with the uploaders themselves. When I upload a rip there, it's because I want to present my upload to the community... have it shared, have it whatever. It's for the enjoyment of the music.

Many other uploaders have this sense of entitlement about themselves. It's my rip, therefore I own it. I deserve upload credit on my own upload, I deserve to show the staff no respect, I deserve to keep these files exclusive and not shared elsewhere, despite the entire SPIRIT of what we're doing is to share our files with others.. Sure, putting together scans and a nice description may take hours, but you chose to do that to share them with others, I don't see why the files being on another site should detract from that.

It all ends up with these people with ratios of around 16 complaining about how the guy with the seedbox and a ratio of 1.13 is "overseeding"

Yes, I think that any other reason for exclusivity other than security and safety is stupid and I vehemently disagree - any other reassons I can think of are just pompous. Even still, I respect the wishes of others. After all, they DID provide the content for us.

The only pratice which should be standard across all communities, is stating who the original ripper was. That's nothing more than standard courtesy and quality of sharing and is all I ever ask people who share my own rips elsewhere to do. Even then, I don't throw a tantrum if they didn't, because what matters is that people get the music. And the only real reasosn is so that people know decent info about the rip (and in my case, that it was a good rip since I did it ). It's for quality of sharing, I don't even require the courtesy of thanking me for the original work. People always do anyway.

Also a cancer in the file sharing world, is pride and status...some releasers can just become so full of themselves, and I HATE it when I see someone do a rip that's superior to another's and that other person sees it as 'competition'. Or competition between communities...

Humility is to be treasured and is a natural part of the sharing spirit. I know other uploaders/staffers with the same humble attitude and I quietly LOVE them for it.

Gosh...so many things which can corrupt the noble concept of sharing things with each other...money, status, pride, jealousy, legality...All should be avoided as much as possible so that nothing stands in between what should be our greatest ideal.

The Scene had the same spirit of 'public sharing' once...it's only once the FBI stepped in and put Sceners in jail from the 90s onwards that they completely changed and became uber security-focused. I don't blame them...but still wish that things could be more decentralised official public sharing of the latest movies and music and software. Power in numbers? :|...anyway I love seeing p2p groups release 0-day material and I like seeing when a scene group becomes a p2p group (because they want to)...it's nice and means they are prepared to risk it and care more about sharing with others. I find the russians very much have this attitude, they have a great empire of public cracking and music/movie sharing, they almost don't even need the scene...almost.

if you steal exclusive pack with a content stolen from scene, it's already triple stealing

But at least it gets less and less evil as you go down the chain ...or is it more evil?