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    Expert on aging believes people will soon live to 150.

    Cynthia Kenyon thinks we can have it all: health, wealth, hordes of children - and a long life. A very long life. She disagrees with prevailing ideas that we can only live longer by paying a high price in terms of reduced fertility or a sluggish metabolism. What made this professor of biochemistry and biophysics at the University of California, San Francisco, so sure? A little worm. James Kingsland was keen to discover the secret





    What makes you think we can cheat nature, increasing human lifespan without having to pay some kind of price?


    Longevity is evolvable. The common precursor to worms, flies, mice and humans was a very simple, short-lived animal. And to get from a worm to a human you have increased lifespan a thousandfold. This happened by changes in genes, which tells you that every time there is a change in DNA that increases lifespan, there doesn't have to be some horrible trade-off - because it's been happening throughout evolution. This whole idea that there is always a trade-off is nonsense.


    But how can an ageing mechanism evolve if the relevant genes only kick in when an animal is too old to reproduce?


    I still don't have an evolutionary explanation that I'm completely satisfied with. But take humans. We go downhill pretty much after we have grandchildren. I think there are two reasons why we have the lifespan we do. One, because with grandparents the parents have an advantage - they can go off hunting or whatever they have to do. The other is that the elders are the ones who have experienced conditions 30 or 40 years before. If something changes, if there's a drought or a new kind of predator, they are the people who will know what to do. Tribes with wise elders will have a huge advantage.


    How would you go about developing an anti-ageing drug?


    It's just a question of finding a drug that would mimic the changes that we've made in worms, flies and mice. Basically we should have a hard look at the insulin and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) endocrine systems. The receptors for both have been shown to control ageing in mice: if you mutate either they live longer. I suspect the key will be to target those systems. In fact, I have helped to found a company, Elixir Pharmaceuticals, that is trying to do just that.


    Isn't Elixir just looking for a cure for age-related diseases rather than ageing per se?


    We think it's all one and the same. Age is the biggest risk factor for cancer, heart disease, protein-aggregation disease - many, many diseases. We think these endocrine systems coordinate age-related disease with ageing. At Elixir, we think that if we can perturb these systems with drugs, they will work in a large range of age-related diseases.


    How would such a drug work?


    We know what the best possible path towards this drug would be. It's just a question of finding a molecule that mimics the changes that we have made in worms and flies and mice.


    Did you start out researching worms?


    As a graduate student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology I worked on bacteria. We were studying the response they have to DNA-damaging agents. That got me interested in development. You took an E. coli cell and you treated it with a DNA-damaging agent and it turned into a whole different animal. But Bob Horvitz, winner of the 2002 Nobel prize in physiology and medicine, had his worm lab right next to mine. In Caenorhabditis elegans you have only a thousand cells and people knew where they all came from in the cell lineage, starting from the fertilised egg. It was the most amazing thing I'd seen, almost like the crystal structure of an animal. You could go in there and find a gene that acts at this point in the lineage to make a muscle, for instance. And I thought, wow, that's what I want to do. So in 1982 I went to work with Sydney Brenner in the UK to study the developmental biology of C. elegans.


    You weren't studying ageing at that point?


    Not at all. When I started out they didn't know that there would be genes controlling something as complex as development, or that the genes would be doing the same thing in worms and people. No one knew that. We thought that we might get some vague principle that was conserved, but not anything as faithful as it turned out to be. We found a gene that, when you knocked it out, made the back of C. elegans look like the front.


    But the front of a worm looks pretty much like the back of a worm...


    No, it doesn't - it has all these different structures. So we cloned the gene and it turned out to be a Hox gene. Those genes were very famous by that time because they had been found to give particular segments in Drosophila their identities. At the time only segmented animals were thought to need Hox genes, not nematode worms. It showed us there was a depth, an ancient character, to these genes.


    How did that lead you onto ageing?


    Basically, we were learning that everything in biology is highly conserved. Biologists studying ageing were convinced that it just happened and there wouldn't be genes that controlled it - you just wore out. I thought, I bet ageing is regulated too and the mechanism is conserved. All animals age, but at different rates: maybe there's a regulatory mechanism that controls the rate of ageing and it can be set differently in different species, and that's why a bat lives for 50 years and a mouse lives 2 years. So we set out to find genes that regulated ageing. And all our work on ageing has shown that it's regulated.


    So what was your first big surprise?


    We found that mutations that lowered the activity of a single gene, called daf-2, caused the worms to live more than twice as long as normal. We showed that their long lives weren't caused by changes in feeding or reproduction - two boring possibilities. But the best thing was that the long-lived worms remained active and healthy long after normal worms were decrepit or dead. They were like 90-year-old people who looked like 45-year-olds.


    What are genes like this doing?


    The daf-2 gene encodes a hormone receptor similar to the human receptors for insulin and IGF-1. So hormones control ageing. They speed it up. Then there are many genes "downstream" of this receptor that do lots of different things. Some of them code for proteins that protect animals from all sorts of stresses, chaperones that help other proteins fold correctly, and antioxidant proteins such as catalase and superoxide dismutase. Then there are those that encode proteins that kill bacteria, and metabolic genes. But you have a single hormone receptor, the IGF-1/insulin receptor, and a transcription factor commanding between 50 and 100 genes that directly affect the ageing process. It's like an orchestra conductor coordinating the flutes and the cellos and the French horns. That's how you get these big effects on lifespan.


    OK, but what makes you think the worm genes have the same effect in humans?


    People have shown that the system first found in worms controls longevity in fruit flies and mice. That means it had to evolve early in a common precursor of mice, flies and worms. In genetics everything else that has been found to be true in mice, flies and worms has also been found in humans - with variation, of course, but the basic system is the same. We don't know for sure yet, but on rational scientific grounds the chances are very high.


    So when can we expect the big breakthrough - an anti-ageing drug?


    It could come at any time. A compound in red wine, resveratrol, has just been found to increase the activity of a longevity protein that affects the insulin/IGF-1 system in worms. So we may already have a drug, though it might not be that simple. But the fact that there's this compound already in red wine, it really makes you optimistic, doesn't it?


    It's only a matter of time?


    Yes, it's all about time!


    But for now, caloric restriction seems the one proven way to extend lifespan. Is that why you've virtually given up carbohydrates?


    That's not necessarily why I do it. I do it because it makes me feel great and keeps me slender. And I don't feel really tired after a meal. But I think if I wanted to eat in a way that extended lifespan this is how I would do it. In fact, I stopped eating carbohydrates the day we found that putting sugar on the worms' food shortened their lifespans.


    How does it work?


    I eat a diet that keeps my insulin levels low. So, for example, at breakfast I have bacon and eggs with tomatoes and avocados. It's bit like the Atkins diet. I don't actually know if I eat fewer calories, but I feel great and I weigh what I did in high school. I certainly wouldn't want to be hungry all the time, but I'm not, I'm never hungry. I tried caloric restriction just for two days but I couldn't stand it, being hungry all the time.


    What don't you eat?


    I don't eat sweets, bread, pasta, potatoes or rice. I actually do eat lots of carbohydrates, just not starchy ones, the ones that turn into sugar quickly in your body. I eat lots of vegetables and salads, and lots of fish and nuts, cheese, eggs and meat. People are now studying these low-carb diets like Atkins and the zone diet scientifically.


    How do you know it's doing you any good?


    My blood profile is off the scale. Apparently triglycerides are very good indicators of your insulin and glucose levels. Anything below 200 [milligrams per decilitre] is good, and mine is 30! And my "good" cholesterol (HDL) is 86 [mg/dl], which is fabulous.


    Suppose we all lived to 150. Would we just be prolonging the misery of unhealthy old age?


    I think it would be fabulous to live to 150. Remember, if you're like these worms, at 150 you would be just the same as a normal 75-year-old. Of course you want to be in good health - providing you are in good health and you love life, you want to live longer. These long-lived worms stay young longer. That's the thing that's so hard for people to grasp: it's not just being healthy longer. It's being young longer. The worms have told us it's possible.


    Who is going to pay the pensions of all these ancient people?


    That's not a problem, because they should be working longer. If there's a pill, it's not going to immediately double lifespan - though I shouldn't say that. You would never have said, with a worm, that you could change a single gene and that it would double lifespan. The fact that it did just blew my mind. I'll never get used to that. So it's possible. But the chances are it would be pretty gradual, so society would have time to adjust. If you had 90-year-old people who were biologically just like 40-year-olds there is just no way that society would agree to give them a pension! And the chances are they wouldn't want one anyway.


    How would you like to live to 150 and still be around at the same time as your great-great-grandchildren?


    It would be fantastic - you'd get to know them. And when you look at the progress of science over the past 50 years - what we couldn't do 50 years ago that we can do now, for example with DNA - what will it be like 50 or 100 years from now? Wouldn't you love to see it?

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    I found this whilst Googling "life expectancy".

    The site was pretty interesting.

    Many factors have contributed, and will contribute, to humans living longer, look below at life expectancy in the US 100 years ago. If this were to rise at the same rate over the next 100 years, people could well be living to 150 by the end of this century.

    In the United States of America 100 Years Ago (1900 AD):

    * the average life expectancy was 47 years

    * water usage per person was one sixth of current usage

    * 14% of the homes had a bathtub

    * most women only washed their hair once a month and used borax or egg yolks for shampoo

    * 8% of homes had a telephone

    * there were 8,000 cars and 144 miles of paved road

    * the maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.

    * 95% of births took place at home.

    * 30 people lived in Las Vegas

    * 6 percent of Americans had graduated from high school



    World Facts



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    I don't think I want to, I'm perfectly happy if I get my "3 score and 10", thanks

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    Originally posted by barbarossa@17 October 2003 - 21:06
    I don't think I want to, I'm perfectly happy if I get my "3 score and 10", thanks
    I see what you're saying Barbie, and I guess a 100 years ago they would have said "I'm perfectly happy if I get my "2 score and 7", thanks"

    I think if the average life expectancy were 150, 80 would be middle aged, when we are still fit and healthy. Sure, no-one would want to spend 80 years in a nursing home, but it wouldn't be like that. I reckon in a 100 years you'll have to wait till you turn 120 to get the pension.




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    Unfortunately, life expectancy has increased because of a huge reduction in infant mortality rate. In addition, in 1900, otherwise healthy people were dying of pneumonia and appendicitis in their 20's, 30's and 40's.

    Medicine has found no way to extend our lifespans, but has played a great role in allowing us to be able to reach our genetically programmed limits.

    In order to extend lifespan, we need to deal with our genes, as per the article. Most people have a very narrow idea about what "a long time" is because we apply our human frame of reference.

    Our bodies do not "wear out" passively, but rather actively. After a certain age, we start packing our genes away and our DNA code actively shuts us down.

    If we could hold our bodies in suspended adolescence (meaning keeping those genes active) we could theoretically live forever, and be in excellent health. Someday we will.
    Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?

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    Hope we find a way off the planet by then....or we may all starve to death, if the wars caused by population pressures dont kill us off 1st

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    if you cant eat sweets, bread, pasta, potatoes or rice... then whats the point?

    the difference is probably 1/2 year or something.

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    Originally posted by Rat Faced@18 October 2003 - 16:26
    Hope we find a way off the planet by then....or we may all starve to death, if the wars caused by population pressures dont kill us off 1st*
    Rat,

    You ARE our sunshine on a cloudy day!
    Nice way to bring a downer into a thread about living forever in excellent health.
    You need to be held down and tickled, 'least that's what we do 'round here for a cases of melancholy.

    Oh, I almost forgot, then your are covered with puppies.
    Aren't we in the trust tree, thingey?

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    Oh, I almost forgot, then your are covered with puppies.

    Surely its either "You're" or "You are"


    Who would want to live forever? Isnt that the curse of Lazerus?

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    If humans did start to live a longer lifespan maybe then we would be forced to plan ahead alot more, and maybe we (as a race) would be more concerned about the environment and the damage we are causing to it.



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