Are We Jsut A Bunch Of Theives?

[Kid1A]

of course we are, anybody care?

[Will_518]

Nice debate! Yeah, sure, i want freedom of speech and freedom of media. But does this have anything to do with whether or not we are stealing? I don't think so.

Sure, p2p is promoting new stuff, eg the top download at verified is a homemade german porn video (with almost 10,000 dls). But these things are not copyrighted like the latest albums or games. The author probably want ppl to get that german video for free, but for the latest games and music, most of them are only made for money, for profit.

So, is your point that music stars, media corporations like CNN, games companies like Valve have no right to what they make, and shouldn't have any rights to what they make? Because the media should be free?!

[Will_518]

Originally posted by Kid1A@30 October 2003 - 15:26
of course we are, anybody care?

lol. Well, RIAA does, so does MPAA. And if they are gonna do something about it, i don't see why we shouldn't hit back with some decent points.

[Will_518]

Yeah, most of the mp3s on the net are 120kb/s, which isn't very good. a lot of the ripped games either need a lot more than a no-cd patch or have no cut-scenes and music....

But, some people just like to dl it, 'cos they like the feeling of getting one over the corporations.

[UKMan]

Point in question:
A few years ago in Sweden, they raised the tax on cigarettes. The trade obviously suffered and also it was proven that people smuggled more, bought more via the Internet at rediculously low prices and of course the government suffered by loss of revenue. They reacted again by lowering the tax on fags and things have settled down again.

I do believe that lowering the tax OR the price on music CD's (as an example) would in fact encourage more people to buy - not simply because the prices are lower, but because the quality of the real product is so much better. Every day you see on the chat forums questions and debates on how bad the bitrates are and how to improve ripping them. If this wasnt important enough, then people wouldnt bother - so it stands to reason that more people would buy the real thing.

This obviously wouldnt stop downloading the stuff, but at least more music would be sold. Also there is no possible reason why CD's should cost as much as they do. In the beginning when the technique was in its hayday, of course it was relevant, but not anymore.

I do believe a lot of people who say that they download some mp3's or films just to see if they wanna buy the real product, because they are the true collectors who want good quality. The fun of downloading soon depreciates when you realise that a lot of the stuff is pure crap - quality wise - so you start looking for other pleasures, like good quality rips or the real thing.

Then there are those who just do it because its "cool". Look at how many i have ripped of today etc... There will allways be that sort, but soon they grow out of it when they realise that quality is nr.1 - No-ones gonna download their cheap rips anyway.

Peace
UKMan

[Neo 721]

u mention games they account for one of the smallest proportion of file sharing, which is why when 512K becomes standard these numbers will steadliy increase.

[silent VI]

im not a theif im just generouse with my files

[UKMan]

Originally posted by DrunkeNStylE@31 October 2003 - 01:48
im not a theif im just generouse with my files

trying to figure that one out

[silent VI]

i dont steal i copy and share

[Adster]

we arnt theives and what pisses me off is ppl that say its the sam eas shop lifing in a CD store theres a difference we download data and BUY blank CDs and burn it onto them

shop lifign you steal the REAL CD that isn't data and has all the cover art an\d lyrics book