Are We Jsut A Bunch Of Theives?

**Cotton** · 10-25-2003, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Amplifier_SFH@25 October 2003 - 01:32
My thoughts are, in the end, we are theifs. At least I am, if a game doesn't have good online play that REQUIRES a valid key then I WILL not buy it. The music industry had FU--ED us over for years, and even if someone says they didn't, I don't care. They will always have more money than probably all of us combined anyway. Just stop pretending everything we do on KAZAA is moral, it's not, and I really don't care.

Bravo I agree 100%, who gives a phuck, hell im going to go steal some more music right now!!

**d8888** · 10-25-2003, 04:52 AM

In my oipnion

Sharing music without paying RIAA/artist is like going to a bookstore reading books without paying the Company/author.

You can't say that "Sharing is our right"
("reading books for free is our right")

However,you can't say "Copying music is stealing",either.
("Reading books for free is stealing books")

Paying for stuff is white.
Five finger discount is black.
FileSharing is GRAY.

**abu_has_the_power** · 10-25-2003, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by Will_518@17 October 2003 - 20:31
Are we jsut a bunch of theives?

i was talking with a buddy who didn't know much about filesharing, he was very much against it, and it really got me thinking about this issue.

what is filesharing?
Isn't this just downloading games, movies, books, and music from other people on the internet?

So, what is wrong with that?
think about this, How many of the files you download are copyrighted?

Why are they copyrighted?
So, the people who benefit from the files are those who put the effort and time into making it for our entertainment and their wallet. And they rightfully should be the ones benefiting from it.
How would you feel if you worked for 2 years to build a house, then someone else just gave it away, and you got nothing from it? I would want to lynch the guy who gave it away.

i think i've made the point. What we filesharers are doing is stealing the fruit of other people's laubour. We are guilty.

Imagine a world where everyone was a filesharer, would we still have any files to share?

I'll give you an example. India makes about 1/3 of world's software; while China makes almost none. Why? Because, 99% of the disks you buy in China is Pirate Warez. in fact it is very difficult to find a shop that sells nothing but the copyrighted legal version of software in China.

So, should we stop sharing files?

Why would we still share and download files if we know it is so wrong? Do we even know what we are doing is wrong? Would it matter?

(i'm not from RIAA or MPAA. I did share files, and i probably will in the future when i get a better internet connection [i'm 56k atm], what i want to know is should we do something about this and stop sharing?)

yea, we are a bunch of thieves, wat r u gona do about it? besides, sharing is like the kinda thing ur moma told u when u were little. listen to ur moma, before i rape her. lol bout teh raping part... sory... anywas, u have no clue wat ur dealing with. so go stuff some pirated music down ur ears... and enjoy it

**jfm** · 10-25-2003, 06:55 AM

Will 518
Your point isIs still valid!
We all share.
Let us all be aware that not sharing the costs somewhere along the line, means that we will all one day have to listen to PHILL COLLINS

Think on that!

**jfm** · 10-25-2003, 06:58 AM

Are we jsut a bunch of theives?

i was talking with a buddy who didn't know much about filesharing, he was very much against it, and it really got me thinking about this issue.

what is filesharing?
Isn't this just downloading games, movies, books, and music from other people on the internet?

So, what is wrong with that?
think about this, How many of the files you download are copyrighted?

Why are they copyrighted?
So, the people who benefit from the files are those who put the effort and time into making it for our entertainment and their wallet. And they rightfully should be the ones benefiting from it.
How would you feel if you worked for 2 years to build a house, then someone else just gave it away, and you got nothing from it? I would want to lynch the guy who gave it away.

i think i've made the point. What we filesharers are doing is stealing the fruit of other people's laubour. We are guilty.

Imagine a world where everyone was a filesharer, would we still have any files to share?

I'll give you an example. India makes about 1/3 of world's software; while China makes almost none. Why? Because, 99% of the disks you buy in China is Pirate Warez. in fact it is very difficult to find a shop that sells nothing but the copyrighted legal version of software in China.

So, should we stop sharing files?

Why would we still share and download files if we know it is so wrong? Do we even know what we are doing is wrong? Would it matter?

(i'm not from RIAA or MPAA. I did share files, and i probably will in the future when i get a better internet connection [i'm 56k atm], what i want to know is should we do something about this and stop sharing?) --------------------

Will 518

Your point is still valid!

We all share.

Let us all be aware that, not sharing the costs somewhere along the line, means that, we will all, one day, have to listen to PHILL COLLINS

Think on that!

Oh, and the board (edits) isn't working again

**nahan** · 10-25-2003, 09:22 AM

You dont like dont do it ,nobody is being forced one way or another.
Filesharing will only strengthen media as a business in the long run.
So ofcourse greedy media execs are worried about short term loss ,they cant look at the bigger picture.
Everyone wants everything ,faster ,quicker ,now.

**djweiser** · 10-25-2003, 11:58 PM

nah, your not nicking the files from people, just "sharing" them.

**[Icy]Kerry** · 10-26-2003, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Will_518@17 October 2003 - 20:31
Are we jsut a bunch of theives?

i was talking with a buddy who didn't know much about filesharing, he was very much against it, and it really got me thinking about this issue.

what is filesharing?
Isn't this just downloading games, movies, books, and music from other people on the internet?

So, what is wrong with that?
think about this, How many of the files you download are copyrighted?

Why are they copyrighted?
So, the people who benefit from the files are those who put the effort and time into making it for our entertainment and their wallet. And they rightfully should be the ones benefiting from it.
How would you feel if you worked for 2 years to build a house, then someone else just gave it away, and you got nothing from it? I would want to lynch the guy who gave it away.

i think i've made the point. What we filesharers are doing is stealing the fruit of other people's laubour. We are guilty.

Imagine a world where everyone was a filesharer, would we still have any files to share?

I'll give you an example. India makes about 1/3 of world's software; while China makes almost none. Why? Because, 99% of the disks you buy in China is Pirate Warez. in fact it is very difficult to find a shop that sells nothing but the copyrighted legal version of software in China.

So, should we stop sharing files?

Why would we still share and download files if we know it is so wrong? Do we even know what we are doing is wrong? Would it matter?

(i'm not from RIAA or MPAA. I did share files, and i probably will in the future when i get a better internet connection [i'm 56k atm], what i want to know is should we do something about this and stop sharing?)

Well consider this Will. How many times has a company ever ripped us off on faulty merchandise? Wouldn't this be a form of theft? Their not delivering the product as they intended. File sharing networks is like a friend. You have a file that you think is really cool and you pass it on to a friend. It just sounds like you've been brain washed with too much media or RIAA coverage. I prefer people actually downloading things online, because you know their not committing 'actual' crimes. I highly doubt a Kazaa user would rather download a game or music rather than go kill someone.

**Switeck** · 10-26-2003, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by d8888@24 October 2003 - 23:52
Sharing music without paying RIAA/artist is like going to a bookstore reading books without paying the Company/author.

You can't say that "Sharing is our right"
("reading books for free is our right")

However,you can't say "Copying music is stealing",either.
("Reading books for free is stealing books")

Yep, ban libraries... that's basically what RIAA suggests doing.

Other copyright industries are TRYING TO DO JUST THAT. (basically destroy/ban libraries)

LEGAL public domain is being pushed into non-existance even while 'rampant piracy' occurs on file-sharing networks.

Food for thought:
Is it better to horde ideas and sell unreproducible copies for a king's ransom or to share and reduce the 'value' of ideas to almost nil?

**DragonFlame** · 10-27-2003, 04:56 PM

Think of it this way!

When you download a file you are only copying the data.
YOU ARE NOT TAKING THE SOFTWARE FROM SOMEONE.

Copying Software is just like Recording a movie on your VCR. Every one does it even my Grandma.
SO IF YOUR TELLING ME MY GRANDMA STEALS THEN FUCK YOU.

Most of the software cost around 100 bucks. Australian Dollas.
IF YOU GO OUT AND BUY EVERY GAME MOVIE AND ANY OTHER SHIT I HAVE DOWNLOADED OVER THE YEARS IT WOULD COST YOU AROUND THREE TO FOUR MILLION.

It is not wrong to Download data.

It is wrong to make a profit from this data.

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