Are We Jsut A Bunch Of Theives?

[darkmind]

1) files should be treated as information which can be spread freely once it is released to someone
2) copyrights are only moral codes that ppl try to enforce (as the p2p networks suggest moral codes are impossible to enforce unless the persons morales correspond with the code)
3) the sharing of data is vital to growth and production, inhibiting it limits that
4) to much sharing can also inhibit growth if ppl are no longer willing to create anything new because they dont get anything out of it or very little due to sharing
5) the more anyone uses the law against someone that shares info w/o gaining anything from it, the more they back themselves into a corner because in reality copyrights were originally made to stop other ppl from profiting from someone elses ideas not keeping ppl from freely transmitting data

this is why i feel that p2p networks should be protected by freedom of speech
yet at the same time ppl should contribute something to the origin of the idea or invention so as to keep ppl inventing composing and creating new things

[nanotek]

yes we are thieves

[Sid Hartha]

Originally posted by darkmind@27 October 2003 - 18:31
1) files should be treated as information which can be spread freely once it is released to someone
2) copyrights are only moral codes that ppl try to enforce (as the p2p networks suggest moral codes are impossible to enforce unless the persons morales correspond with the code)
3) the sharing of data is vital to growth and production, inhibiting it limits that
4) to much sharing can also inhibit growth if ppl are no longer willing to create anything new because they dont get anything out of it or very little due to sharing
5) the more anyone uses the law against someone that shares info w/o gaining anything from it, the more they back themselves into a corner because in reality copyrights were originally made to stop other ppl from profiting from someone elses ideas not keeping ppl from freely transmitting data

this is why i feel that p2p networks should be protected by freedom of speech
yet at the same time ppl should contribute something to the origin of the idea or invention so as to keep ppl inventing composing and creating new things

1. stealing = free speech
2. stealing really isn't stealing
3. stealing is beneficial to the ppl we steal from
4. contradicts 1-3
5. repeated attempts to stop stealing makes you uncool because of 1-3, but not 4.

Got it.

thanx.

[darkmind]

lol
confused i am

im trying to say i hate the riaa
and am proud to be a p2p user because i feel that they have no right to attack us since copyrights were originally made to protect something they could keep relatively secret so that no one could steal the info and say it was their idea and sell it
due to the fact that they sell the files they cant and shouldnt expect ppl to not share them since they just gave the secret away
and since they share them there is no profit that they gain thus i dont believe that anyone on a p2p network is breaking copyright law, especially since they arent saying that the file is theirs

how about that version?

[Wednesday]

CD sales have gone up by 26%

[fr600]

Its that a good news???

[floatinghead]

I have had similar thoughts. One place those thoughts led me was to a possible revenue stream solution. I posted my idea here

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=77474

Would such a system change your view on file sharing?

Generally, I think the world may be in for a change in how music is distributed. It may be that distribution is more "localized" and revenues are more moderate. I don't think this would have to be a conscious decision by any one entity. It may be just what emerges from the changes we see in the current system.

[Wednesday]

Originally posted by fr600@27 October 2003 - 22:56
Its that a good news???

:"> Sorry. What I meant was filesharing doesn't seem to have harmed the music industry too much as CD sales have gone up by 26% :">

[UKMan]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+21 October 2003 - 19:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez @ 21 October 2003 - 19:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jim1013@21 October 2003 - 18:00
.......BLAH BLAH BLAH

thats my 2cents.. although by now you probably feel more like it was &#036;20 &#33;

well said

althogh i only read your last sentence [/b][/quote]
HA HA HA - That just about sums up my views on all this crap about the legalities of filesharing. Of course its f***ing stealing - why else is this subject brought up hundreds of times each and every week.

Dont tell me its because its a "shady area" or "its a thin line" etc. I steal mp3&#39;s from the artist but get them from other thieves - thats all there is to it - plain and simple.

Now, lets get out there and steal some more music before the cops wake up from coffee break

Peace
UKMan

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Originally posted by UKMan+28 October 2003 - 14:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (UKMan @ 28 October 2003 - 14:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@21 October 2003 - 19:03
<!--QuoteBegin-jim1013

@21 October 2003 - 18:00
.......BLAH BLAH BLAH

thats my 2cents.. although by now you probably feel more like it was &#036;20 &#33;

well said

althogh i only read your last sentence

HA HA HA - That just about sums up my views on all this crap about the legalities of filesharing. Of course its f***ing stealing - why else is this subject brought up hundreds of times each and every week.

Dont tell me its because its a "shady area" or "its a thin line" etc. I steal mp3&#39;s from the artist but get them from other thieves - thats all there is to it - plain and simple.

Now, lets get out there and steal some more music before the cops wake up from coffee break

Peace
UKMan [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m sorry mom, but apparently I AM A THIEF
So wtfugd........