Are We Jsut A Bunch Of Theives?

[Sid Hartha]

Originally posted by darkmind@27 October 2003 - 21:28
...i feel that they have no right to attack us since copyrights were originally made to protect something they could keep relatively secret so that no one could steal the info and say it was their idea and sell it
due to the fact that they sell the files they cant and shouldnt expect ppl to not share them since they just gave the secret away
and since they share them there is no profit that they...

Whew! That's a long sentence.

Anyway, copyright law was created to prevent the unauthorised use and distribution of published material, period.

It sounds like what you're talking about is patent law - totally different thing.

[darkmind]

whoops
well im sticking by my statement no matter how incorrect it is

[Neo 721]

Typical Ive only been away for 3 days and yet another thred has re emerged in this topic. Whether or whether not something is copyrighted does'nt change the issue, all it means is someone wants to look important by having a big C on their product and that their designers will still get a large bonus in case somone finds that their work was taken from somewhere else ...oh and to add to the general discussion the facts still stand, we are not stealing we are just not allowing the company to gain anything by not buying their product.

[Sid Hartha]

Originally posted by Neo 721@28 October 2003 - 20:02
...the facts still stand, we are not stealing we are just not allowing the company to gain anything by not buying their product.

...kind of like eating a meal in a restaurant and not paying for it.

[UKMan]

Originally posted by Sid Hartha+28 October 2003 - 21:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sid Hartha &#064; 28 October 2003 - 21:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Neo 721@28 October 2003 - 20:02
...the facts still stand, we are not stealing we are just not allowing the company to gain anything by not buying their product.

...kind of like eating a meal in a restaurant and not paying for it. [/b][/quote]
Or trying to justify what we are doing by seaking out reasons why we are not stealing.

If the law, or the artist - NO MATTER WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK OF IT - says you are not allowed to do it, then its stealing.

I on the other hand dont give a monkeys ass about what the law or the artist thinks - if i did i wouldnt download their material, neither would you. I happen to think that music and films on the Internet are up for grabs, but i sure as hell dont go around asking stupid questions all the time just to make myself feel good or justified. I also BUY a lot of stuff, like programmes and even music to get what i want without hassles.

these views are not intented to coerce minors or adults into illegal activity&#33;&#33;

Peace
UKMan

[Switeck]

Originally posted by darkmind@27 October 2003 - 13:31
this is why i feel that p2p networks should be protected by freedom of speech
yet at the same time ppl should contribute something to the origin of the idea or invention so as to keep ppl inventing composing and creating new things

I see p2p networks not just as freedom of speech but also freedom of the press.

Not some corporate-owned, government endorsed, thugs-for-hire presses -- OUR PRESS&#33;

To stop file sharing would require curtailing rights to privacy, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press.

I do not wish to live in a police state or give money (buy CDs/DVDs) to people who think so.

[Neo 721]

hmmm..... Interesting, freedom isnt really an issue here, its just another excuse to wrongfully claim rights of ownership of particular property that does&#39;nt belong to a particular individial if you are a customed to this, then your clearly have a problem with authority over one&#39;s property.

[Sparkle1984]

Yes I think freedom of the media is an issue here, and so I agree with what Switeck said. The media should be of the people, not multinational corporations &#33;&#33;

[thetransplanted]

I think that we all know it is wrong; stealing this from other people who would be making money off of this stuff if it weren&#39;t for p2p programs like kazaa. BUT, when this stuff is just right there for you, you absolutely need it .

[Neo 721]

Its only realy freedom of the media if the media is free in the first place, bit like not alowing people keep news papers or not allow people to people to tape TV programs, but considering that MP3 games ect is not free it is just another excuse to suger coat the general issue.