Isn't this what Americans fear...

[j2k4]

Your position isn't really a position at all, but you're right, it is indefensible.

As I say, you have not actually attacked my point.

Okay.

As precisely as you can manage, then:

What is your point?

[mothis]

My point is that I believe health care is a fundamental human right, and that therefore making access to it conditional on having x amount of money is unethical. You see it as a luxury, and therefore do not see a problem with denying it to people who cannot afford to pay for it.

[j2k4]

My counterpoint would be that you have a point, and I have a point.

For your own reasons, you think your point trumps mine, and I, likewise, think mine trumps yours.

We agree that health care reform needs to be undertaken, but our respective methodologies are divergent.

Neither of us can lay unfettered claim to holding a majority of popular opinion.

We believe differently, that is all.

Your ideological brethren hold sway at the moment; I believe that will change in November.

Have you anything to add?

[clocker]

Your ideological brethren hold sway at the moment; I believe that will change in November.

You believe that the right will unseat enough incumbent Democrats to regain a majority in November?
You think America longs for the theocracy she never had?

[j2k4]

Your ideological brethren hold sway at the moment; I believe that will change in November.

You believe that the right will unseat enough incumbent Democrats to regain a majority in November?
You think America longs for the theocracy she never had?

I think the dems will lose the house and the senate.

You may think what you like.

[clocker]

OK.
I think you're crazy.

[A13]

All depends on how much politicians can talk within the next few months IMO. A lot of people are hating on the Democrats right now, and it can be fueled by people talking, to the point that Dems will lose both majority in the House and Senate. It's really divided on how people view healthcare. I can't say there's a majority on either side really.

[clocker]

Nice job of waffling.

[A13]

Glad to see you figured that out. That's why it's "all depends." I just say what I see. Never came in here with a determined mindset. All those politicians are corrupted suckers anyway. It won't make that much of a difference, with all that bipartisan shit going on.

[mothis]

I think the democrats will lose a lot of seats in the midterms. They are just so incredible ineffective. Look at this healthcare bill. What happened to the public option? How about single payer? The amount of concessions they made on it (e.g. no federal subsidies for abortions)? The republicans use dirty tactics and the democrats refuse to call them on it.