What.cd and Waffles ban Azureus and Deluge

[Rart]

What he said - not sure what the hoopla is about switching clients and moving directories.

Well apparently for the few that have their files organized across categorized folders, spanning many hard drives, etc. etc. it could be a giant pain in the ass for them.

I'm not trying to defend what what and waffles did (I disagree with it the client prohibiting as well) anyone who had so many categorized folders or had files scattered across multiple hard drives had it coming. They already spent the huge amount of effort required for such organization/redirecting of download directories in their clients and should've been aware of the risk/rewards of doing such a thing, in my opinion.

You're not only a cheater yourself but also teach people how to do it.

If he in anyway promotes cheating at FST, or if you feel any of his other posts strongly encouraged people to do so, you can report it if you wish.

Although personally as long as he doesn't purposefully promote such things his posts often provide alternative views/insights you don't normally see. And that's what forums are all about, right?

[lysine]

i am very wary of any protocol that preferentially connects to one client over another. that in itself will create a one-company market if allowed to happen. No client should be whitelisted that behaves like that imo as it thus puts other clients at a disadvantage even if it is only "for a little while" in a swarm.

I still haven't seen anyone come with any proof (real and reproduceable) that shows uTP enabled clients prefering one over the other. all of that hoopla started on bitmetv and they still haven't showed any proof of thier statements. as the news announcement on what.cd states:

Windows: uTorrent 2.x and uTorrent 1.8.x. There is a certain level of controversy surrounding the 'unfairness' of uTorrent 2.0's new protocol (uTP) in the private tracker community. Failing to find evidence of this unfairness ourselves, and seeing significant benefits to the adoption of uTP, we have decided to make uTorrent 2.0 our #1 recommended client - however, be aware that you may not be able to use this client on other trackers.

I don't know but it would be best if this uTP thingamajig could be and is mandated to be turned off on private trackers - use it on demonoid!

since it was first implemented, it's always been possible to disable it. in the advanced options of utorrent, set the bt.transp_disposition to 5. that completely disables all of the uTP stuff in the client.

[buggyfresh]

I still haven't seen anyone come with any proof (real and reproduceable) that shows uTP enabled clients prefering one over the other. all of that hoopla started on bitmetv and they still haven't showed any proof of thier statements. as the news announcement on what.cd states:

Windows: uTorrent 2.x and uTorrent 1.8.x. There is a certain level of controversy surrounding the 'unfairness' of uTorrent 2.0's new protocol (uTP) in the private tracker community. Failing to find evidence of this unfairness ourselves, and seeing significant benefits to the adoption of uTP, we have decided to make uTorrent 2.0 our #1 recommended client - however, be aware that you may not be able to use this client on other trackers.

I don't know but it would be best if this uTP thingamajig could be and is mandated to be turned off on private trackers - use it on demonoid!

since it was first implemented, it's always been possible to disable it. in the advanced options of utorrent, set the bt.transp_disposition to 5. that completely disables all of the uTP stuff in the client.

yea well i'm going on what has been said at various sites as are most ppl. And i think if the first statement is correct then like msot private trackers require DHT to be turned off, the same should be implemented for uTP IF it does behave in that manner. I use DHT when going public hunting and it would be the same for that new protocol.

[brightsid]

Well apparently for the few that have their files organized across categorized folders, spanning many hard drives, etc. etc. it could be a giant pain in the ass for them.

I'm not trying to defend what what and waffles did (I disagree with it the client prohibiting as well) anyone who had so many categorized folders or had files scattered across multiple hard drives had it coming. They already spent the huge amount of effort required for such organization/redirecting of download directories in their clients and should've been aware of the risk/rewards of doing such a thing, in my opinion.

I don't get it am I doing something wrong categorizing my shares in different folders and drives and seeding them for ever? And we are not talking about 0day stuff but for music, movies collection. And it's really easy to do it with a good client like vuze is. I guess it's not l33t enough for them and encourage their user to have 1 drive and 1 dir for all the sharing files. Preferably in a seedbox. They are promoting the use of a client that no other site think is safe with many reported connection problems.
A stat about the number of files not seeded anymore in the trackers a month after their decision would be interesting. If the other trackers don't follow

[j0hn]

You wanna know my thoughts?

It's fucking cheaters like YOU who use modified Azureus versions who are responsible for this.

Thousands of honest and good Azureus users like myself have to suffer now, because you and your cheating friends in your shitty forum ruin it for all.

There used to be a time when known cheaters were banned from FST. Nowadays they can happily spam the forum.

You are a plague for the private tracker scene. You're not only a cheater yourself but also teach people how to do it.

I can't use my favourite client on the best music trackers now because cheaters like YOU exploit open source software.

well said, though i think your being a little too nice
bittorrent relies on sharing, without it, there would be no bittorrent, period. retards like above are the scum that stopped me posting here over the past year or 2. FST has a bad name because of its policy to allow traders, but even worse now, cheaters.
shit sticks, and it stinks.

[Morpheus]

I'm facing some cognitive dissonance. Someone help me resolve it.

[W]e found that over 4088 downloads, deluge downloaded, on average, 15.4% more data than the size of the torrent.

Deluge are primarily used by ratio cheaters

[soulreaper]

You wanna know my thoughts?

It's fucking cheaters like YOU who use modified Azureus versions who are responsible for this.

Thousands of honest and good Azureus users like myself have to suffer now, because you and your cheating friends in your shitty forum ruin it for all.

There used to be a time when known cheaters were banned from FST. Nowadays they can happily spam the forum.

You are a plague for the private tracker scene. You're not only a cheater yourself but also teach people how to do it.

I can't use my favourite client on the best music trackers now because cheaters like YOU exploit open source software.

well said, though i think your being a little too nice
bittorrent relies on sharing, without it, there would be no bittorrent, period. retards like above are the scum that stopped me posting here over the past year or 2. FST has a bad name because of its policy to allow traders, but even worse now, cheaters.
shit sticks, and it stinks.

The way I see it , anon has been nothing short of resourceful(technically) and also helped a lot of members here. I don't recall seeing any posts of his which encouraged fsters to cheat. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he likes in his private/professional life as long as it causes no harm to fsters. Heck I don't even know the guy, just judging from his posts.
More power to you anon,keep posting mate.

I love the way FST doesn't judge its members by their reputation on a particular torrent site or another forum. I feel privileged and proud to be a part of FST because of the unbiased treatment meted out to members. People would never express their views openly without fear if it wasn't for the free spirited nature of FST.

[IdolEyes787]

You wanna know my thoughts?

It's fucking cheaters like YOU who use modified Azureus versions who are responsible for this.

Thousands of honest and good Azureus users like myself have to suffer now, because you and your cheating friends in your shitty forum ruin it for all.

There used to be a time when known cheaters were banned from FST. Nowadays they can happily spam the forum.

You are a plague for the private tracker scene. You're not only a cheater yourself but also teach people how to do it.

I can't use my favourite client on the best music trackers now because cheaters like YOU exploit open source software.

well said, though i think your being a little too nice
bittorrent relies on sharing, without it, there would be no bittorrent, period. retards like above are the scum that stopped me posting here over the past year or 2. FST has a bad name because of its policy to allow traders, but even worse now, cheaters.
shit sticks, and it stinks.

Maybe it's just the liberal in me but I have personally always felt that the best way to solve problems and resolve our differences is through dialogue .

well said, though i think your being a little too nice
bittorrent relies on sharing, without it, there would be no bittorrent, period. retards like above are the scum that stopped me posting here over the past year or 2. FST has a bad name because of its policy to allow traders, but even worse now, cheaters.
shit sticks, and it stinks.

The way I see it , anon has been nothing short of resourceful(technically) and also helped a lot of members here. I don't recall seeing any posts of his which encouraged fsters to cheat. As far as I'm concerned he can do what he likes in his private/professional life as long as it causes no harm to fsters. Heck I don't even know the guy, just judging from his posts.
More power to you anon,keep posting mate.

I love the way FST doesn't judge its members by their reputation on a particular torrent site or another forum. I feel privileged and proud to be a part of FST because of the unbiased treatment meted out to members. People would never express their views openly without fear if it wasn't for the free spirited nature of FST.

^^What he said .
My first knee-jerk reaction when anon-sbi started posting here was an immediate ban but seeing as little except making myopic people such as yourself feel better what purpose does that really serve?
A statement? I honestly I'd much rather make the statement that people are allowed a chance to give an opinion here and leave it up to the intelligence ( or lack thereof) of our members to determine for themselves what to make of that opinion.
As for the analogy here's another .Non-acceptable behavior like fungi require the dark to grow . Expose either to the light of day and they tend to wither.

Other than that all I will say is that anon knows what is and isn't permissible here and up to this point has lived up to his word and never promoted either his personal philosophy or his site at FST.

Now if that is not good enough for you you are welcome to again scurry off .
In the words of Eldridge Cleaver " If you are not part of the solution......."

[filenetworks]

BitMeTV's response:

UPDATE

On another relevant note: We will NOT be banning Azureus/Vuze as some other sites have just done.

[Quarterquack]

There is a certain level of controversy surrounding the 'unfairness' of uTorrent 2.0's new protocol (uTP) in the private tracker community. Failing to find evidence of this unfairness ourselves, and seeing significant benefits to the adoption of uTP, we have decided to make uTorrent 2.0 our #1 recommended client ...

Your thoughts?

uTorrent devs themselves have acknowledged there are problems associated with uTP and promised that they will be addressed in 2.0.1; this announcement was run by a uTorrent dev himself on a couple of private trackers I'm on.

I haven't seen them, and I've been using Deluge for the past couple years.

Depends on the size of torrents you are downloading. Deluge tends to misrepresent numbers when they get too large, in order to compensate for the fact that its peering and packet pick-ups is absolutely flawed. On large torrents the number misrepresentation can be as much as 20% of the torrent size, hardly ignorable. A month back a bug was found, and the devs were alerted and they said they would fix it, but I am yet to see it happen.
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As for the whole Anon-SBI being a cheater ordeal, I still think it's a problem that plagues society. This is a lot like Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged' where people are so concerned with usurping their superiors that they forget about people trying to usurp them. The same happens in the BT world. People are so concerned about cheating the economical system, that they forget about the people trying to cheat them. No matter what system is made, it will be cheated, and there will be more cheaters cheating the cheaters. The whole thing just goes on and on to invite more cheaters to the hive. Do people actually think there's no holes/problems with uTorrent? On the contrary. If someone wants to really cheat using uTorrent, I'm sure they will do it eventually.

EDIT: Being a uTorrent user myself, I'm not affected by most decisions, and yet I see the fact that uTorrent is gaining market share, at the least, unnerving. People are forgetting that it remains closed source, which means that when the time comes, corporate schemes can and will come into the picture in the way with which we interact with torrents, either through DRM or through other annoying features that none of us will be able to complain about, since at this rate, we're bringing it on ourselves.