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    It seems a Mississippi School would rather cancel a prom than allow a student freedom of expression.


    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews
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    "They ruined the prom, not only for this young woman, but for all of the straight kids at the school," he said.
    I don't think using the word straight helps the situation. He could have been more tactful. Then again Polis is a Republican.
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    I think that to say that the other side does not support freedom of expression is very damaging. Generally with LGBTQ issues, we see a clash of cultures. Those who would deny the young woman the ability to bring her girlfirend to the prom feel very threatened by non-heteronormative relationships. Personally, I find such a view extremely bigoted. However, if one wants to actually make progress instead of simply feeling superior to the other side, understanding that view and respecting it as genuinely held is very important.

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    I think the young lady played it just right.

    Odd that the educational system in Mississippi (sorry, but the educational systems in this country - even the one in Mississippi - are, without fail or exception, liberally directed) is making such stilted decisions.

    Tsk, tsk, as they say.
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    That one deserves a frame.



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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    sorry, but the educational systems in this country - even the one in Mississippi - are, without fail or exception, liberally directed...
    Except for the ones that aren't...like Texas, say.
    Sure as fuck wasn't liberals who decided to expand coverage of Ronald Reagan and eliminate Thomas Jefferson from social studies textbooks.
    Sure as fuck t'weren't libs who decided that "separation of church and state" was NOT the original intent of the founding fathers and added more Bible study to required curriculum.

    You statement is therefore invalid.
    Not surprising, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    sorry, but the educational systems in this country - even the one in Mississippi - are, without fail or exception, liberally directed...
    Except for the ones that aren't...like Texas, say.
    Sure as fuck wasn't liberals who decided to expand coverage of Ronald Reagan and eliminate Thomas Jefferson from social studies textbooks.
    Sure as fuck t'weren't libs who decided that "separation of church and state" was NOT the original intent of the founding fathers and added more Bible study to required curriculum.

    You statement is therefore invalid.
    Not surprising, really.


    Eliminate Jefferson?

    The hell you say.

    Separation of Church and State?

    Doesn't appear in our founding papers anywhere.

    Separation of Church from State?

    Absolutely.

    More correctly (in Texas, just the other day, in fact) liberals suggested U.S. history before 1877 be ignored.
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    Interesting article. I'm not American, but I wouldn't assume it's much different here. The schooling system is run by the government, and therefore reflects the views of those in power. These views are often unchanged over time. I hate to play devils advocate but, no one is forcing her to attend the school sanctioned prom; or attend the public school system in general. The teens mentioned in the article do have a choice.

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    Someone watches too much fox and friends.

    http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=8203
    Fox: “So one of the proposed changes is to start history class in the year 1877.”
    The truth: Texas has and always will teach U.S. History from the beginning until present day. U.S. History through Reconstruction is taught in the eighth grade and those standards can be found in the middle school standards, which are called Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (TEKS). Here is a link to the middle school standards: http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/s...KS_amended.pdf. U.S. History since 1877 is taught in 11th grade.
    Jefferson is replaced by St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone in a list of figures whose writings are considered to have inspired 18th and 19th century revolutions

    I'm sure J2K4 will be pleased because the term separation of church and state is credited to Jefferson.

    Overall the proposed curriculum has been set to emphasize conservative ideology (judeo-christian, moral majority and Phyllis Schlafly) and downplay the rest.

    It was an ideology review, not an academic one


    By the way the biggest threat to government interference with freedom of religion is Christian conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devilsadvocate View Post
    Someone watches too much fox and friends.

    http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index4.aspx?id=8203
    Fox: “So one of the proposed changes is to start history class in the year 1877.”
    The truth: Texas has and always will teach U.S. History from the beginning until present day. U.S. History through Reconstruction is taught in the eighth grade and those standards can be found in the middle school standards, which are called Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills (TEKS). Here is a link to the middle school standards: http://ritter.tea.state.tx.us/teks/s...KS_amended.pdf. U.S. History since 1877 is taught in 11th grade.
    Jefferson is replaced by St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone in a list of figures whose writings are considered to have inspired 18th and 19th century revolutions

    I'm sure J2K4 will be pleased because the term separation of church and state is credited to Jefferson.

    Overall the proposed curriculum has been set to emphasize conservative ideology (judeo-christian, moral majority and Phyllis Schlafly) and downplay the rest.

    It was an ideology review, not an academic one


    By the way the biggest threat to government interference with freedom of religion is Christian conservatives.
    Gee whiz, all that typing, only to sum things up with a sentence that, nearest I can determine, agrees with me?

    How sweet of you.
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