FTN opened the doors!

[Quarterquack]

To explain Burnsy's message in one line:

A tracker can remain alive with no seeders, but it can't without the donors.

[Tv Controls you]

but don't you think it's more important to actually be able to afford the hardware to run your site first?

I don't think that is the member's problem.

I donate because I like how a website is ran... Not because I want to make sure the server bill is payed by the end of the month.
You shouldn't create a tracker with the assumption that the bill will be payed in donations every month...

In addition I pay dearly for my internet bill every month, so I find it highly offensive that you regard seeding as a lesser to donors.
Matter of fact if your a seeder, you are a donor. Your using your bandwidth which is money in today's world.

I could use a 56k modem and donate 5 dollars a month and save tons of of money. But I am more concerned about people receiving their files.

[ugk4life]

who cares if they trade... wah, wah!

[IdolEyes787]

Then along those truly insightful and compassionate lines who cares what you think ?

[Burnsy]

To explain Burnsy's message in one line:

A tracker can remain alive with no seeders, but it can't without the donors.

Yep... precisely

but don't you think it's more important to actually be able to afford the hardware to run your site first?

I don't think that is the member's problem.

I donate because I like how a website is ran... Not because I want to make sure the server bill is payed by the end of the month.
You shouldn't create a tracker with the assumption that the bill will be payed in donations every month...

In addition I pay dearly for my internet bill every month, so I find it highly offensive that you regard seeding as a lesser to donors.
Matter of fact if your a seeder, you are a donor. Your using your bandwidth which is money in today's world.

I could use a 56k modem and donate 5 dollars a month and save tons of of money. But I am more concerned about people receiving their files.

I think you may be missing my point a little...

I'm not saying seeders efforts are any lesser in value towards the site than those who donate financially to the running costs, I fully acknowledge seeders are effectively the life blood of the the tracker in so far as they NEED to be there to share files...

The point I was making, as ringhunter so eloquently put it, was that there would be nowhere to seed if the finances weren't in place to afford the hosting.

I understand what you say about not starting a tracker if you can't afford it, and about not having to rely on donations each month, and I fully agree with you, however... as a trackers success grows, and member base becomes bigger etc, then doesn't it make sense that eventually upgrades would be required to cope with increasing demands? Possibly outwith what the Site Owner initially was able to afford... and I think this is where donations become important, hence my belief that there's nothing wrong with offering an additional incentive to those offering money to the running costs

[1000possibleclaws]

Non-donors are not the ones putting food on their table. Donors are and they have to keep doing whatever it takes to make them donate.

I strongly disagree, seeders are the ones putting food on the table.
Seeding is the best donation you can ever give to the BT community. I personally only donate when I really like how a tracker is ran.

Naw B. Seeding is what normal users do, it's what you're expected to do if you're using private trackers. Donations are what keep this service going.

[Tv Controls you]

you missed my point.

Your sadly mistaken if you believe that its the members job to pay for the server bill.

[Burnsy]

you missed my point.

Your sadly mistaken if you believe that its the members job to pay for the server bill.

I didn't say that and in fact acknowledged it wasn't... I think we'll agree to disagree

I understand what you say about not starting a tracker if you can't afford it, and about not having to rely on donations each month, and I fully agree with you

What part of that states that members should pay for the servers?

I went on to mention that as a site grow and costs increase then it's acceptable to need some donations every now and again and there was nothing wrong with rewarding those willing to help out...

as a trackers success grows, and member base becomes bigger etc, then doesn't it make sense that eventually upgrades would be required to cope with increasing demands? Possibly outwith what the Site Owner initially was able to afford... and I think this is where donations become important, hence my belief that there's nothing wrong with offering an additional incentive to those offering money to the running costs

I didn't miss your point at all... and I'm not sadly mistaken...

but don't you think it's more important to actually be able to afford the hardware to run your site first?

I don't think that is the member's problem.

If all your interested in is a tracker, then yeah... seed on and do no more... seeding is a requirement... you're not doing anyone any favours by doing what you're supposed to, you'd be disabled if you didn't.

If what you enjoy is the sense of community, then not being able to afford server fees becomes everyone's problem...

[1000possibleclaws]

you missed my point.

Your sadly mistaken if you believe that its the members job to pay for the server bill.

I don't believe it's a user's job, I for one do not donate to trackers very often. That's why I think if anyone should be rewarded, it should be them.

edit: I would probably agree with you go 2 years ago, when I actually cared about invites, and inviting people. If FTN gave me an invite now, I would probably toss it to a RL friend who wouldn't care too much for it. I wouldn't care much for inviting a RL friend either. Inviting people has lost its charm.

About seeding, it's just a matter of leaving it in your client for awhile, which with happen naturally for most users, because your average person doesn't watch/install all their warez the moment they download it. Yeah sure, give everybody invites for what they naturally do. I wouldn't care if FTN did that either, except I actually would, because that would mean >1000 new users which might destroy the no ratio economy that FTN has.

[Tv Controls you]

That is exactly where you are wrong.

Seeding is doing a favor, because it helps people retrieve their files.
Just because seeding is expected doesn't devalue it's cost.

*ps truesounds I was talking about burnsy in this post and my last.