Originally Posted by
puckface
People trade, from my point of view to make it easier to get in the places they want to get in without wasting time. That's why I used to trade and it worked entirely fine.
As an example, Ive been trying to get into E by making requests, talking to people and the such as my trading days are behind me... but to no avail. I probably don't get in because of my past actions and peoples' opinions on traders and thats fine. But, I have about 2000 CD's and 1500 LP's that I can rip to FLAC at any time the right way, but Im too much of a scum obviously to contribute to such a tracker. Unfortunate for everyone.
As far as all traders being bad, all I can say if fuck off. I guarantee, that I, Mr. Trader, have done more for the trackers that I belong to that 80-90% of the people on this site. I'm an uploader at 4 sites, I donate to those who I deem worthy, I help people out with hardware/software/torrenting problems they have in the forums of certain trackers and I seed for fucking ever. Not being arrogant, but just stating facts.
Also, this breaking the rules of the tracker shit is just bogus. Giveaways are also against tracker rules, wheres the witch hunt there? Plus, what we do as file sharers is STEAL, we steal other peoples' shit. Where is the rules and respect there on our parts or the trackers' parts?
So people trade, and I am not saying that everyone is or is not like me, and I do only use myself as an example because that's all I know and I don't pop my face in other peoples' business. You should all take heed to that little gem.
Don't judge a book by its cover and you will get through life in a much better light.
I absolutely understand your point of view puckface, and personally know other ex-traders like you that are similarly great members of the trackers they belong to. But 4pirates & shalafi are also traders, as was tudor/basilheydens/trollin thunder and what exactly have these individuals done for the torrenting community ?
These are only a few examples, and I agree extreme ones, but there are two types of traders, there are those like you that trade for personal use, and then there are the collectors.
Trading simply to have 'it' but then becoming bored and discarding the membership is a security risk for the tracker, the account is no longer that of the person and quite often these accounts end up in the hands of previously banned users, who were banned for legitimate reasons.
Active traders usually aren't desirable as members because they are too busy covering their tracks to participate in the tracker much, the a/c is just kept ticking over because it is a trophy a/c. Often with this type of trader the a/c was created with the intention of passing it on, an anonymous throwaway email and the minimum needed to keep the a/c active. These a/c's can be passed on several times, and then of course there are the buffered a/c's created simply so that someone can hit'n'run the a/c to death then go on to the next buffered a/c.
All of this is a direct consequence of trading, or rather the second type of trading, where a/c's are treated as baseball cards. There are forums out there where users brag how many times they are a member at trackers, and show off how many times they have been banned like noddy badges.
Bizarrely enough the less the 'level' of the tracker the worse this problem is because of how disposable the a/c is in the eyes of the collector/trader.
It is this kind of moronic collecting which is the true problem and causes tracker staff so much grief.
The problem really is how do you define 'good trading' as opposed to 'bad trading' ? A line has to be drawn somewhere, these websites set themselves up as private trackers not public ones. They did this to offer a certain security to their members and also give better speeds than hit n run land does.
So although there are examples of great users who were traders like you puckface, from my own experience they tend to be the minority and anyone who deals with the other side, with users lying all the time and the bullshit stories you have to listen to sometimes, it tends to harden you to a certain extent, luckily however a certain percentage simply aren't that bright.
The point I am trying to make is that trading has the capacity to do great damage to a tracker website from leeching & banned members through to trophy a/c's nursed along to show someone's e-peen, not all traders or trades do this I agree, but the collector attitude and the marketplace of values based on tracker levels doesn't ultimately do the trackers themselves alot of good, how can it?
I understand you as an individual and your motives I do not understand the whole marketplace mentality of the collectors passing memberships around like baseball cards.
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