Just an unnerving thought

[A]

A terrorist country is called terrorist because of the vast majority of terrorist inclined people of the country where good people also exists.Trading is the same,Good members and bad members exist but bad outweighs good by a large proportion.Generalisation is inevitable

[sez]

I agree with chinchi11as and basically what most of you have said.It should precipitate some thinking when you see somebody make a request for an invite yet in that same thread apprise you on how his trade thread for the same is fairing.

Personally I'd call that stupid but considering the fact that we came to know of BT differently ,then I think excuses like culture become admissible.Some of these people truly don't know what is expected of them on trackers regardless of what that wall of text of rules say.I don't know what percentage of you guys read EULAs while installing apps but I figure that number is as small as of those traders who bother to read tracker rules let alone take them seriously.

Not all traders are bad,some of these people have proven to be really useful.Personally I know of one whose name appears on /staff.php of a famous ratioless tracker that he happened to trade his way into.Call that selfish?No,he tried everything else to get in there but this was the only way that worked for a tracker that he really needed and knew he would enjoy.

So yes most traders are scum(and romania tops this list),

Some are just victims of ignorance,circumstance and illiteracy(most of indo-paki n the middle east falls here) but clearly not all traders encapsulate the term shitbag.

[sear]

Well art put it fairly well, though he should use the enter key more but I'd like to add that for me it's turning the hard work of others that they've give you freely into a commodity. Tracker staff, the coders, admins, sysops, mods all put in a great deal of time, effort and risk for nothing more than the joy of staffing. They've created private communities for friends and friends of friends to come and share warez. They don't want just any tom dick and harry joining up. They want people who know each other and are likely to respect the community. It's as simple as that it's just disrespecting something that is there to be shared with people you know...otherwise it may as well be a public tracker.

There are other concerns as well but they've been covered fairly well.

[IdolEyes787]

.Personally I know of one whose name appears on /staff.php of a famous ratioless tracker that he happened to trade his way into.Call that selfish?No,he tried everything else to get in there but this was the only way that worked for a tracker that he really needed and knew he would enjoy.

This is not an indictment of trading or anyone in particular but you lost me with that comment.
First you said he "needed" it .Clearly no one no matter who they are ,where they live or what they want out of life "needs" any bittorrent tracker ,it simply comes down to (selfish)desire .
If that person felt that whatever personal morals he had were worth tossing away for that particular tracker rather than being laudable it is both hypocritical and ( again) self-serving (selfish).
Then you go on to say he did it because he "knew" he would would enjoy it.
The only thing I have to say to that is it must be nice to be prescient .

[Quarterquack]

I just noticed staff members (well tracker representatives, which in my eyes are all on one panel) saying it was unethical to get someone to buffer one's account. I don't understand that mentality.

This all reminds me of when people were railing on UBiTSA for making the SCC-ScT theme, and he said something along the lines of "We're a bunch of pirates downloading shit on a torrent tracker, stop trying to assume the moral high ground".

[puckface]

I just feel that generalization of anyone (traders here) is bullshit.

Spend some time in a help channel. I guarantee your opinion of traders will change considerably. Sure, there are always exceptions, but the vast majority are lying, cheating, selfish douchebags.

Im sure the ones that use the help channel are.

But I can see my efforts are fruitless

Let me drone on like a good little FST member: traders are scum, traders are scum. Now were all happy eh?

[hagckz0r]

traders ftw?

[sez]

.Personally I know of one whose name appears on /staff.php of a famous ratioless tracker that he happened to trade his way into.Call that selfish?No,he tried everything else to get in there but this was the only way that worked for a tracker that he really needed and knew he would enjoy.

This is not an indictment of trading or anyone in particular but you lost me with that comment.
First you said he "needed" it .Clearly no one no matter who they are ,where they live or what they want out of life "needs" any bittorrent tracker ,it simply comes down to (selfish)desire .
If that person felt that whatever personal morals he had were worth tossing away for that particular tracker rather than being laudable it is both hypocritical and ( again) self-serving (selfish).
Then you go on to say he did it because he "knew" he would would enjoy it.
The only thing I have to say to that is it must be nice to be prescient .

and this is why context should always precede the language morphology.So contextually speaking,when I said 'he "knew" he would enjoy it' ,I clearly didn't mean that as the prophetic knew,I meant it to be understood as a metaphor for a wall of text describing what he did or how resourceful he proved to be to eventually make it to staff.
Same for the need bit.I clearly didn't mean it like "haiti needs us".

If that person felt that whatever personal morals he had were worth tossing away for that particular tracker rather than being laudable it is both hypocritical and ( again) self-serving (selfish).

the principles of right and wrong don't mean the same thing to everyone.While you and I might agree that trading does more harm than good to a tracker,I don't think its accurate to take our disagreement with the act to ethical levels.Its wrong and if anything,its a rather empty understanding of the wider debate on morality.

See what I just did there?you wouldn't allow me to use the word "need" so am equally not allowing you to use "morality" as you please

[ca_aok]

I don't really think they're scum, however I do find most of the ones here particularly idiotic.

I also think they deserve what they get if they get caught. If you're going to trade, don't come here and whine when you get caught by staff. Also, don't beg for invites in the invite request system so that you can then use those accounts as trading fodder (see: some recent FTN requests for example). Who the hell would waste an invite on someone who's then going to profit off it? You're better off sticking to your trading forum rather than lying through your teeth about how you don't trade.

There's also a huge difference between someone who makes a one time trade for a site they really want, and then become a decent user, rather than the idiots here with hundreds of accounts that do it out of spite for tracker rules, or as a hobby.

[b3owulf]

It kind of reminds me of the concept behind "stealing" other sites uploads. Oh, it's "morally wrong" and unacceptable to "steal" a bland old scene release from SCC to upload to your tracker, yet it's used in the same context where everyone is already "stealing" files? Really? Do they have any idea how hypocritical that sounds?

Offtopic: Well, this isn't official but AFAIK SCC admins won't ban you for just reuploading regular Scene stuff unless you're doing it with autobot.