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    For small businesses, the effects of the now-passed health reform law include:

    * By no later than 2014 , states will have to set up Small Business Health Options Programs, or "SHOP Exchanges," where small businesses will be able to pool together to buy insurance. ("Small businesses" are defined as those with no more than 100 employees, though states have the option of limiting pools to companies with 50 or fewer employees through 2016 ; companies that grow beyond the size limit will also be grandfathered in.) The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the exchanges would ease small business insurance costs, albeit only marginally: premiums in the small- group market are forecast to fall between 1 % and 4 % under the exchanges, while the amount of coverage would rise by up to 3 %.

    * For the next four years, until the SHOP Exchanges are set up, businesses with 10 or fewer full-time- equivalent employees earning less than $25 ,000 a year on average will be eligible for a tax credit of 35 % of health insurance costs. (Companies with between 11 and 25 workers and an average wage of up to $50 ,000 are eligible for partial credits.) The tax credit will remain in place, increasing to 50 % of costs, for the first two years a company buys insurance through its state exchange. The Congressional Budget Office predicts that the tax credit will affect about 12 % of individuals covered via the small-group insurance market, lowering their cost of insurance by between 8 % and 11 %.

    * Insurers will no longer be able to set rates or exclude coverage based on pre-existing conditions, and can vary premiums only by geographic location, age, and tobacco use. These restrictions, however, would not kick in until 2014. Going into effect immediately: a ban on lifetime limits on coverage, and on "rescission" ( canceling policies already issued) except in cases of fraud.

    * Starting in 2014 , businesses with more than 50 employees will be required to either offer healthcare coverage or pay a penalty of $750 a year per full-time worker. The coverage offered will also have to meet minimum benefits -- covering both a specific set of services and 60 % of employee health costs overall -- or else employers will face additional penalties.

    * So-called "Cadillac" plans costing more than $10 , 200 a year for individuals or $27 ,500 for family coverage (not counting dental and vision plans) will be subject to a 40 % tax on the portion of the cost that exceeds the limit. Though the tax would actually be paid by insurers, it's expected that it would be passed along to plan holders in the form of higher premiums. Furthermore, if the House amendments approved Sunday pass the Senate intact under the reconciliation process, some other small business provisions will change:

    * Part-time employees would be counted toward the 50- employee minimum on pro-rated basis based on hours worked, bringing more small businesses into the group required to provide coverage.

    * The $750- per-employee penalty for not providing insurance would rise to $2 ,000.

    * The Cadillac tax would be delayed until 2018 and apply only to the most expensive plans, making it more of a "Maserati" tax, in the words of Kaiser Health News .

    * Individuals earning more than $200 ,000 a year, or couples earning $250 ,000 or more, would be hit with a 3.8 % surcharge on investment income to help pay for the bill.

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    Okay, so what's it gonna cost me?

    Does the term "insurer" include the government?

    Let's say my expansion does not occur within the next four years-

    I will be eligible for a 35% credit against the cost of insuring my employees.

    Such credits are absolutely meaningless until I have some idea of the actual cost of coverage, and, since costs have not been addressed in any way, shape, matter or form, let me assume a median cost of $500 monthly for each employee (this would be an educated guess based on my own research to date for very basic - and negligible - coverage that does not include any dental, vision, or pharmaceutical coverage).

    This would come currently come to $5000/month, reduced by 35% ($1750) to a net cost of $3250/month.

    Not knowing how (or at what calender point) I can access the credit, I must assume I will carry the $5000/month burden until the government reimburses me.

    Even if I were somehow reimbursed instantaneously, the yearly increase ($39,000-$60,000) to my clients would be plenty to sink me.

    By comparison, taking the penalty sounds like the way to go, but sure wouldn't be very productive, and, given my margins, might be enough to make me say, "fuck it; this isn't worth my time", in which case (I suppose) fie on me, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Okay, so what's it gonna cost me?

    Does the term "insurer" include the government?

    Let's say my expansion does not occur within the next four years-

    I will be eligible for a 35% credit against the cost of insuring my employees.

    Such credits are absolutely meaningless until I have some idea of the actual cost of coverage, and, since costs have not been addressed in any way, shape, matter or form, let me assume a median cost of $500 monthly for each employee (this would be an educated guess based on my own research to date for very basic - and negligible - coverage that does not include any dental, vision, or pharmaceutical coverage).

    This would come currently come to $5000/month, reduced by 35% ($1750) to a net cost of $3250/month.

    Not knowing how (or at what calender point) I can access the credit, I must assume I will carry the $5000/month burden until the government reimburses me.

    Even if I were somehow reimbursed instantaneously, the yearly increase ($39,000-$60,000) to my clients would be plenty to sink me.

    By comparison, taking the penalty sounds like the way to go, but sure wouldn't be very productive, and, given my margins, might be enough to make me say, "fuck it; this isn't worth my time", in which case (I suppose) fie on me, right?
    You better get used to this kind of thing Kev. I am only judging from what I see on the news etc, but I think like the UK a large part of the electoral roll will soon be 'the new immigrants' who want something for nothing or undercut wages and vote for the party that will supply it. So goodbye Republican Party. It is happening everywhere with the possible exception of the likes of Sweden. Where I believe, if qualifications are the same the Swede get picked first. Also you must be able to speak Swedish or English as an immigration qualification. I could be completely wrong about this. if I am, surely someone will correct me.
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    So, small business is on the way out?

    That won't work.

    We're back to republicans in November, then.
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    So, you're in favor of- and adamantly predicting reelection for-the very same people who MADE SURE their was no meaningful cost control included in the bill.
    Way to vote against your best interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    So, you're in favor of- and adamantly predicting reelection for-the very same people who MADE SURE their was no meaningful cost control included in the bill.
    Way to vote against your best interests.
    Oh, excuse me-

    'We're back to not-incumbents-or-democrats in November, then. '
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    So, Tea Party Republicans.
    Nope, not gonna happen.
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    We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clocker View Post
    So, Tea Party Republicans.
    Nope, not gonna happen.
    I don't know. Faux News and the like have managed to manipulate a lot of people into believing this crap. And they do it in such a way that it looks like a grassroots effort. Could be very damaging to incumbents.

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    The impact of Fox News on actual voting trends is highly overrated...especially by Fox News.

    Besides, the outcome of the next mid-term election cycle is almost irrelevant- the Republicans face a historical trend that no amount of whining or lying can overcome.
    Look at a crowd pic of any right wing gathering and see how many blacks, Hispanics or any other non-white persons are in it.

    The simple fact is that the right caters to older, white audiences and they are in the decline (non-white births in the US will outnumber white births by the end of the year).
    Couple the shrinking fan base with the muddle headed decision to "resist" the Census (which determines congressional redistricting) and you have a naturally decreasing voter base actively seeking to render themselves politically invisible.

    Not exactly genius level political strategy but probably the best the GOP could come up with in a LA strip club.
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