How can you say that without including the same fact that the palestinians are impossing death and suffering on the innocent civilians of Israel. It goes both ways.Originally posted by KcIrPaSiLuApJ@27 October 2003 - 09:40
When a country causes pain, suffering and death on a people, the way Israel is doing to the Palestinians.
I have no preference for agreeing with one side or another, but death and suffering is being inflicted on and by both sides.
On the Peripheral
The political spectrum is less of a line and more of a circle.Originally posted by lynx@27 October 2003 - 12:52
Regarding "Left" and "Right", I'm sure many here would be surprised to learn that in the former Soviet Union, those in favour of a more "western" approach to politics were regarded as left-wing, with the right being occupied by those more in favour of stronger communist principles, and were regarded as conservatives. As far as I know the same currently applies in communist China...
When dealing with Communism in practice, it's almost indistinguishable from facism.
things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
so, he does
the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
-- WW2 for the l33t
No-one is trying to fool anyone Lynx, Billy was banned for fuck all, and was treated like a little kid, quite the norm for this board.Originally posted by lynx@27 October 2003 - 20:41
I don't think your new id will fool anyone, Billy.
Australasia.
You really are desperate aren't you? It's the Israeli government who are committing murder, dispossessing people, ignoring United Nations resolutions, and all the other crimes against humanity, and you want us to hate someone else.American Jewry, which is far more powerful than Israeli Jewry, supports Israeli policy. It has been mentioned in another thread about certain Jewish politicians who pass laws in order to help Israel. I have no idea why you don't hate them too, they are so much more influential in world affairs than any Israeli.
For your information, I am not interested in conspiracy theories, of any kind. I'm concerned with the state sponsored terrorism carried out by Israel, with the complicity of the US. So far you have failed to condemn Israel's actions, which says a lot about you.
And you have failed to condemn the terrorist acts of the Palestinain people upon innocent Israeli's. No side can be defended for there bloody actions, but all sides can be condemned.Originally posted by KcIrPaSiLuApJ@27 October 2003 - 13:55
Australasia.
You really are desperate aren't you? It's the Israeli government who are committing murder, dispossessing people, ignoring United Nations resolutions, and all the other crimes against humanity, and you want us to hate someone else.American Jewry, which is far more powerful than Israeli Jewry, supports Israeli policy. It has been mentioned in another thread about certain Jewish politicians who pass laws in order to help Israel. I have no idea why you don't hate them too, they are so much more influential in world affairs than any Israeli.
For your information, I am not interested in conspiracy theories, of any kind. I'm concerned with the state sponsored terrorism carried out by Israel, with the complicity of the US. So far you have failed to condemn Israel's actions, which says a lot about you.
I've said it many times.Originally posted by *´¯`·.¸¸.»Çô©ö»@27 October 2003 - 23:10
And you have failed to condemn the terrorist acts of the Palestinain people upon innocent Israeli's. No side can be defended for there bloody actions, but all sides can be condemned.
Perhaps you'd like to tell us what else they are supposed to do? They remember how Israel used terrorism, first to establish their state, then to rid it of Palestinians. They continue using terrorism to this day.
Remember the Stern gang? The very terrorist group that did a deal with Hitler to expel jews from Europe, and who may have caused the holocaust to happen. To the victor go the spoils. They also get to write history.
Yen?
No-one is trying to fool anyone Lynx, Billy was banned for fuck all, and was treated like a little kid, quite the norm for this board. [/b][/quote]Originally posted by KcIrPaSiLuApJ+27 October 2003 - 08:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KcIrPaSiLuApJ @ 27 October 2003 - 08:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@27 October 2003 - 20:41
I don't think your new id will fool anyone, Billy.
Actually, the account wasn't banned, it was put on 3 days moderation. This one gets suspended entirely.
And it wasn't for "fuck all" it was for flaming and argument - JPaul got a warning, since it wasn't your first offense, you got moderation. Does that clear it up?
I've said it many times.Originally posted by KcIrPaSiLuApJ+27 October 2003 - 14:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KcIrPaSiLuApJ @ 27 October 2003 - 14:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-*´¯`·.¸¸.»Çô©ö»@27 October 2003 - 23:10
And you have failed to condemn the terrorist acts of the Palestinain people upon innocent Israeli's. No side can be defended for there bloody actions, but all sides can be condemned.
Perhaps you'd like to tell us what else they are supposed to do?
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I condemn both sides and am sick of seeing it on the news day in, day out.
What are they (Palestinian's) supposed to do? Stop fighting and aim for world support/sympathy, if this were to happen i could see a lot of nations having this support/sympathy for the Palestinians. But until then they have not got much hope.
The future will involve all terrorist acts by so called terrorist states against civilized nations to come under probable military attack. But saying that the question of defining the word "terrorism" is still unanswered for me.
en(un)lightened
Setting terms would be a worthy endeavor, though fraught with difficulty.Originally posted by Rat Faced@26 October 2003 - 18:57
J2k4
I dont think its the "non transferability" of views, so much as language.
There is a definite "Left" and "Right" with descernable points, that can be transfered to describe the politics of differing countries.
It is the definition of the terms themselves which mean different things in different countries, this causes confusion and mis-communication.
eg
"Left" for you = Democrat.
"Left" and "Liberal" seem to be the same... again to you.
To me a "Democrat" (US Political Party) is not "Left", although it is a lot closer to "Left" than the "Republican" party in the USA.
As predominantly the posters in this thread appear to speak Englsh as a 1st language, i dread to think what non-English speakers make of it.
Maybe its time to argue out some definitions, for use in this Forum...
It would be Ironic to find out that some people that are at each others throats, may just be arguing over symantics (although i very much doubt it)
While certain of us (I include here all those "obvious") could, I'm sure, come up with something workable, in other countries, as has been pointed out, such as conservatism would be regarded as extreme left; this type of differential of understanding would dictate a cock-up.
I think that if we can't even get that straight, then maybe we ought to just use the proper terms, i.e., Labour, Conservative, Likud, etc., and those who wonder at the difference could ask, which would foment more questions, and likewise, more understanding.
I know, for example, that we here think of the U.K. as having a good number of Socialized concerns-the BBC being a prime example.
Here, we have P.B.S. and N.P.R., which receive a stipend, but are not supported to anywhere near the extent the Beeb is; they are regarded as quite liberal, and, ironically, carry alot of BBC content, however they do not feel at all compelled to attempt the Beeb's "balance".
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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For my sins I am Branch Treasurer (largely, I suspect, because i) I am relatively apolitical and ii) no one else would do it).
My this debate has taken an odd twist or two since yesterday!
Hmm I see one cannot do a) etc., as the next in line comes out B) oh well i) will do.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
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