The Proof About Jews

[MediaSlayer]

@Ratfaced-I forgot to add this:
It's hard to define what the word "Jew" means because the meaning has changed over the centuries. Mostly it refers to an identity, which covers more area than a nationality or race.

[Rat Faced]

I would not call any country that gives Judicial Power to a religious court...secular.

It takes a lot to emmigrate to another country..to emmigrate to a war zone takes real belief in what your doing. I stand by what i say regarding Israeli settlers, however i can also see that children born there, or indeed that emmigrate there, do not necessarily have their parents beliefs.

Also, a country who's Labour Party is more to the Right than Thatcher was (or Reagan) can only be classed as Right Wing.

The choice up until now has been between conservatism and outright facism...sorry.


I hope you can now see why i try and differentiate between "Jew" and "Israeli". I am aware that most of Israel is Jewish. However most of both UK and Italy are Christian....this does not mean that they share the same beliefs or political views.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by Mediaslayer
One last thing, JPaul brought up THE strongest argument for the Israeli state. What makes those settlements any more illegal than an English "settlement" on Irish land? Isn't that illegal too? In reality, the ownership of land is a social black hole.

NO! It is not a black hole. it's black and white! Israelis are thieving murderers, stealing and killing land and landowners, how can you sit there and justify that? Get the fuck out of Palestine, all of you, and fucking stay out!!

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+25 October 2003 - 16:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 25 October 2003 - 16:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mediaslayer
One last thing, JPaul brought up THE strongest argument for the Israeli state. What makes those settlements any more illegal than an English "settlement" on Irish land? Isn&#39;t that illegal too? In reality, the ownership of land is a social black hole.

NO&#33; It is not a black hole. it&#39;s black and white&#33; Israelis are thieving murderers, stealing and killing land and landowners, how can you sit there and justify that? Get the fuck out of Palestine, all of you, and fucking stay out&#33;&#33;


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Your date for vacating Australia would be when ?

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Originally posted by Billy_Dean+25 October 2003 - 15:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 25 October 2003 - 15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mediaslayer
One last thing, JPaul brought up THE strongest argument for the Israeli state. What makes those settlements any more illegal than an English "settlement" on Irish land? Isn&#39;t that illegal too? In reality, the ownership of land is a social black hole.

NO&#33; It is not a black hole. it&#39;s black and white&#33; Israelis are thieving murderers, stealing and killing land and landowners, how can you sit there and justify that? Get the fuck out of Palestine, all of you, and fucking stay out&#33;&#33;


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[Billy_Dean]

Are you saying things that happened 200 years ago justify events of today?

When you lot occupied Australia there were 250 hanging offences in Britain, you&#39;ve changed since then, Israel hasn&#39;t. At least 200 years ago people were charged with an offence first, not murdered in cold blood on the assumption they were guilty.

It&#39;s time Israel were dragged, screaming if necessary, into the 21st century.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@25 October 2003 - 16:25
Are you saying things that happened 200 years ago justify events of today?

When you lot occupied Australia there were 250 hanging offences in Britain, you&#39;ve changed since then, Israel hasn&#39;t. At least 200 years ago people were charged with an offence first, not murdered in cold blood on the assumption they were guilty.

It&#39;s time Israel were dragged, screaming if necessary, into the 21st century.

I never occupied anywhere, at that time all of my family were Irish, living in Ireland. We moved to Scotland 2 generations ago.

Correct me if I am wrong, but did you not say you were English by birth. So it would have been you, or your people, not I, or mine who did it.

Are you telling me the native Australian people were afforded proper rights when their lands were taken from them. It&#39;s been going on for longer than that, it didn&#39;t happen all in one day.

What about the native South African people are the whites leaving there now, that&#39;s good news. I wasn&#39;t informed.

I did not suggest that those events justify what happens today. I don&#39;t see how even your twisted logic could take that meaning.

[Billy_Dean]

I never occupied anywhere, at that time all of my family were Irish, living in Ireland. We moved to Scotland 2 generations ago.

Excuse me? Wasn&#39;t Ireland part of Britain 200 years ago?

As for the legality or otherwise of your lot&#39;s occupation of Australia, the land was first declared terra nullis, Palestine never was.

Do you declare a certain slant towards Israel on the question of the continuing illegal settlement of Palestinian land?

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Originally posted by Billy_Dean+25 October 2003 - 15:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 25 October 2003 - 15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mediaslayer
One last thing, JPaul brought up THE strongest argument for the Israeli state. What makes those settlements any more illegal than an English "settlement" on Irish land? Isn&#39;t that illegal too? In reality, the ownership of land is a social black hole.

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JPaul brought up THE strongest argument for the Israeli state. What makes those settlements any more illegal than an English "settlement" on Irish land?
He did not say that &#33;

He said this....

The partitioning of Ireland didn&#39;t go down particularly well, but the situation is improving. Two steps forward and one step back, granted, but moving forward.

[Biggles]

Apologies for not keeping up, but what exactly is the thrust of the argument here?

The issue regarding land is a crucial one but it is a political hot potato all round the world. Whether Israel should or should not have been founded is a perhaps an interesting point but it is not going to change the fact that it does exist - anymore than Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the US or any other settled territories are liable to suddenly disappear.

The key, then, must be, what is a workable peace and an acceptable compensation to those who lose out? This is only beginning to be addressed in all of the territories mentioned above and it will continue to test the political ingenuity of those in the ME for years to come. In the meantime those who think they can steal a march through gun and bomb are running loose.

Sharron&#39;s get tough philosophy has resulted in a far worse security situation for ordinary Israelis than anything that went before. The situation is therefore largely one of incompetent politics than some pan global conspiracy. That is not to say the far right in Israel do not have an agenda - just that it is not shared by the majority of Israelis.