The Proof About Jews

[Biggles]

Rat face

Everything is relative (think Einstein said that)

To J2 the Democrats are to the left - quite where that puts Tommy Sheriden I am not sure.

The Israeli Labour party does have significant left wing elements to its economic thinking and provision of public services. We tend, by necessity I suppose, to concentrate on the security element of any Israeli government but for Israelis this is only one element of day to day life. They need their schools, buses, hospitals etc. , just like everyone else. Whether we think the Israeli Labour party (a bit like our own at the moment) is right wing you can be quite sure the Ultra Orthodox parties can barely tolerate being in the same room as them so far removed are they from their point of view. I believe they refer to them as the Oslo traitors - amongst other things.

[Biggles]

J2

Now there is a coincidence.

[Rat Faced]

That is hogwash j2k4.

The range is "Right" eg Facists to "Left" eg Communists.

Everything is within this global range, which is why i state that the "Left" is right of centre "In Israel"....

Without this, then people would assume that "Left" = Socialist.

Or is this what you wish people to believe? That the "Centre" there is the same as that which is Globaly recognised.

There is no "Socialist Party" in Israel, just as there is no "Socialist Party" in the USA... (or in the UK at the moment, IMHO)

note:

By "No Socialist Party", i refer to an electable party.... ie influential in the Affairs of State.

[Lamsey]

The Scottish Socialist Party have several seats in the Scottish Parliament at the moment.

[Biggles]

Rat Face

That would appear to be the case in England. If you cast your eyes to a Parliament a little closer to you than Westminster I think you will find the left/centre debate alive and well. If the Conservatives ever get their act together there might even be a left/centre/right debate someday.

However, I digress.

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by Lamsey@25 October 2003 - 23:05
The Scottish Socialist Party have several seats in the Scottish Parliament at the moment.

Touche...

Except Scotland isnt yet a "State"




Just remember to re-negotiate those bloody borders when you break away.... Hadrians wall maybe?

Pwease?

On a lighter note....Political Definitions...

[MediaSlayer]

well, well it looks like alot of interesting things have happened since I was on last on so I have alot of catching up to do, but this certainly caught my eye

NO! It is not a black hole. it's black and white! Israelis are thieving murderers, stealing and killing land and landowners, how can you sit there and justify that? Get the fuck out of Palestine, all of you, and fucking stay out!!

I would have expected a more mature response from "...perhaps the oldest member on the forum..." That doesn't sound like the response of a wise person at all, but that's just my young opinion . I am truly disappointed in you, Billy Dean. Now, if nobody has any objections, I'm gonna grab a bite to eat, come back, and slag the hell out of you!

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by MediaSlayer@26 October 2003 - 15:50

NO! It is not a black hole. it's black and white! Israelis are thieving murderers, stealing and killing land and landowners, how can you sit there and justify that? Get the fuck out of Palestine, all of you, and fucking stay out!!

I would have expected a more mature response from "...perhaps the oldest member on the forum..." That doesn't sound like the response of a wise person at all, but that's just my young opinion . I am truly disappointed in you, Billy Dean. Now, if nobody has any objections, I'm gonna grab a bite to eat, come back, and slag the hell out of you!

Do your worst!

Come back and tell me the appropriation of Palestinian land was\is legal. Tell me murder without trial is legal\moral. I'm sick and tired of all the right wing arseholes telling me it's the Palestinians who have to do this and do that, whilst condoning the state terrorism being waged on the Palestinians by Israel.

So come and slag the hell out of me, it'll be an honour.

@JP. Your "point" was -- What's the difference between what happened in other countries and what happened in Palestine. You then inferred that if they (the settlers) should get out, then I, and all other Australians\Americans\Canadians, etc should get out.. Or was there no point to anything you had to say? Was this then just an excuse to mount another personal attack on me?

[MediaSlayer]

Originally posted by *´¯`·.¸¸.»Çô©ö»@25 October 2003 - 15:56

JPaul brought up THE strongest argument for the Israeli state. What makes those settlements any more illegal than an English "settlement" on Irish land?
He did not say that !

He said this....

The partitioning of Ireland didn't go down particularly well, but the situation is improving. Two steps forward and one step back, granted, but moving forward.

[/quote]
he also said this

History is full of examples of people taking the land from others and "settling" it.

but I admit I could have been clearer about it. When I said "the strongest argument" I was talking about the concept of "claiming" or "settling" land in general, not the specific point I was making. I posted too quickly.

[MediaSlayer]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@25 October 2003 - 13:32
I would not call any country that gives Judicial Power to a religious court...secular.

Are you implying that there can't be secularism in Israel? I said this:

Israel is fairly secular.

and this:

Often, Jews who were very observant in their home countries drop some ways and traditions when they move to Israel, resulting in a general drift towards being non-observant, secular Jews.

If you read carefully, I never said "Israel is secular". There can be secularism within Israel just as there can be a "left" and "right" within the "left" or "right".

@Biggles, and to a smaller extent, RatFaced-Israel's government is incompetent? Here are two words you won't want to hear - David Kelly.

@Billy Dean-you're digging a ditch, it seems. Here we go.

How can it have been "stolen"? That's a legal term it was not illegal 200 years ago. There was no international law, as there is now, no UN, and no real concept of universal human rights. There is also no suggestion of illegality on Britain's behalf. Terra nullis was found to be incorrect, not an illegal act. The indiginous population is not asking anyone to leave, nor claiming the whole of Australia.

As for answering your irrelevent questions, I have you to thank for that, you taught me well, I salute you.


Terra nullis was found to be incorrect. You admit this. So what steps are you taking to give back the land to the native people that were there before you? I want to introduce you to my good friend, hypocrisy. You two are sure to get along well together.