I know this is piling on, but

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So, even with a giant oil slick threatening the Louisiana coast you think we should just allow unfettered drilling "everywhere in the United States", eh?
What if that means a pumping platform in your backyard?

Both rhetorical questions, BTW.

We could pump every known oil deposit in the continental US and it wouldn't make a dent in our consumption of imported oil...we use way more than we have (or have access to).

I don't know about you, but I love to drive my new car that my parents bought me for my 16th birtday. It's fun, and I don't want gas to get so expensive that I can't afford to drive it anymore.

Clearly, you don't know me at all.
I sympathize, I really do.
When I was a kid I remember "gas wars"...gas stations used to compete on price (bet you've never seen that)...and I recall prices of 17¢/gallon.
And, they'd wash your windshield and check your air while filling up.

Boy, the "free market" approach has really worked out well there, hasn't it?
(This question is NOT rhetorical).

Ignore the "cap and trade" nonsense (who are "some people", by the way?) for a moment and ponder this...
What if the government "got out of the way" of Big Oil and revoked the tax subsidies they currently get and we withdrew all our military support currently safeguarding their overseas operations...prices would drop?
By your logic, the answer would have to be yes.

Big fan of nuclear power, are we?
What's your plan for the spent fuel rods?

Sheesh, I'll bet you even believe in "clean coal".

What a surprise! You're against clean coal, too!

http://www.srpnet.com/about/stations/springerville.aspx

A large part of the Eagar www.eagar.com (and Springerville) economy is based upon the nearby coal fired generation plant which has a huge domestic supply of coal nearby as well.

With a combination of nuclear and coal plants, America could supply its own electricity needs without have to touch its oil supply.

Think about how silly it is to just leave all that coal sitting there on the Navajo reservation when we could be converting it into electricity.

I'll write more later, but I've got to go do some stuff.

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There is no such thing as "clean" coal, fool.
From destructive mining methods to super-polluting power stations, the entire industry is an ecological disaster.
Pretty much a textbook example of what happens when government "gets out of the way" of big industry...the industry realizes that no one will hold them accountable and simply ignores safety and pollution concerns.

Much simpler and cheaper to mount an ad campaign and relabel themselves as "clean"- despite having fought every effort to actually make them so- and see how many suckers will buy into it.
Congratulations, you have.

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" Springerville supplies power to Tucson Electric Power (TEP), Tri-State Generation & Transmission, and the Salt River Project (SRP). Air emission controls on Unit 4 will meet EPA's Best Available Control Technology (BACT) requirements. Furthermore, emission controls on Units 1 and 2 were upgraded as part of the plant expansion. As a result, emissions from all four units will be less than the original two units"

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Is there a point in there?
"Emissions from all four units will be less than the original two units" is a completely meaningless statement until it details what the pollution levels were before and what they are now.

Furthermore, the coal power industry response to EPA mandated stack scrubber technology has been to install the scrubbers- which do clean airborne emissions- but to dump the waste from the scrubbing process into the water table.
So, you no longer breathe the pollution...you get to drink it.

Much better, right?

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If the damned government would get out of the way, and allow us to drill for oil everywhere in the United States, we could supply our own oil and gas at a much lower price.

For someone that appears to be so cynical you show a lot of youthful naivety.

Do you really think it's in the oil companies interests to lower the price? Even if we were able to be self sufficient in oil do you really think we would get it cheaper than the world price without government interference?

I bought my first vehicle myself, my father offered to buy one for me, but I wanted to make my own way in the world

So, let me see if I've got this straight, someone offered to give you a new car, and you turned him down?

I'm the naive one?

I think it stands to reason that the less government intrusion, and the more competition there is, the lower the price of oil will be.

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"Clearly, you don't know me at all.
I sympathize, I really do.
When I was a kid I remember "gas wars"...gas stations used to compete on price (bet you've never seen that)...and I recall prices of 17¢/gallon.
And, they'd wash your windshield and check your air while filling up.Boy, the "free market" approach has really worked out well there, hasn't it?
(This question is NOT rhetorical)."

Dude, 17 cents a gallon? When was that? The 1950s? I would expect everything to have been cheaper then.



"Ignore the "cap and trade" nonsense"

So, you agree its nonsense?


"(who are "some people", by the way?)"

Some guy on talk radio that my dad listens to.

"for a moment and ponder this...
What if the government "got out of the way" of Big Oil and revoked the tax subsidies they currently get and we withdrew all our military support currently safeguarding their overseas operations...prices would drop? By your logic, the answer would have to be yes. "

Yes, because we would be pumping oil out of American soil instead of Saudi Arabia. We wouldn't need to transport it all the way over here.

I think we should bring the military home and put them on the border to keep Mexico from invading us.



"Big fan of nuclear power, are we?
What's your plan for the spent fuel rods?"

Have you ever driven from Las Vegas to Reno, Nevada? Once you get past Tonopah, there are lots of areas that would make a great place to dump spent fuel rods, because almost no one lives there. We might as well use it for something like that.

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Is there a point in there?
"Emissions from all four units will be less than the original two units" is a completely meaningless statement until it details what the pollution levels were before and what they are now.

Furthermore, the coal power industry response to EPA mandated stack scrubber technology has been to install the scrubbers- which do clean airborne emissions- but to dump the waste from the scrubbing process into the water table.
So, you no longer breathe the pollution...you get to drink it.

Much better, right?

It's like you didn't even read what it said.

I won't be drinking it. The water flows north, away from Eagar.

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Dude, 17 cents a gallon? When was that? The 1950s?

Yes.

"(who are "some people", by the way?)"

Some guy on talk radio that my dad listens to.

Oh, him.

Yes, because we would be pumping oil out of American soil instead of Saudi Arabia. We wouldn't need to transport it all the way over here.

Seen the news lately?

I think we should bring the military home and put them on the border to keep Mexico from invading us.

OK, now you're just making shit up.

"Big fan of nuclear power, are we?
What's your plan for the spent fuel rods?"

Have you ever driven from Las Vegas to Reno, Nevada? Once you get past Tonopah, there are lots of areas that would make a great place to dump spent fuel rods, because almost no one lives there. We might as well use it for something like that.

So, the world is your toilet, eh?
"Gee, I don't see many people and it's no good for skateboarding...let's make it a toxic waste dump for the next 100,000 years!"

Is there a point in there?
"Emissions from all four units will be less than the original two units" is a completely meaningless statement until it details what the pollution levels were before and what they are now.

Furthermore, the coal power industry response to EPA mandated stack scrubber technology has been to install the scrubbers- which do clean airborne emissions- but to dump the waste from the scrubbing process into the water table.
So, you no longer breathe the pollution...you get to drink it.

Much better, right?

It's like you didn't even read what it said.

I won't be drinking it. The water flows north, away from Eagar.

What about your northern neighbors...oh, that's right...fuck them.

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See?

http://www.infowars.com/arizona-gove...on-the-border/

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No.

Let's try an easier method.
Legalize the drugs that the cartels exist on.
Institute a sane and logical immigration policy.
Let Arizona secede from the union and fend for themselves.

There, problem solved.