Trade perception !

[Tv Controls you]

My question would be are all traders the same?

When I see a trader I classify them into two groups:

-The trader that only trades for websites he needs, and intends to use.

-The trader that trades for levels and is just collecting sites which he doesn't intend to use.

I'm not involved in a life-long anti-trader campaign like some others around here, so I'm not going to sit here and bash every trader in a page long essay.
I wouldn't invite a trader to a website for obvious reasons that have been listed everywhere a million times... Just wanted to share my outlook on the types of traders.

.......On another subject....

giveaway(trade)

lol, are you inferring that giveaways are really a form of trading?

[killour]

.......On another subject....

giveaway(trade)

lol, are you inferring that giveaways are really a form of trading?

i see many invites given away for rep points or else, i could see it as a trade form ! depends on everyones perception !

i want it to open this subject to see this perception about traders, since it`s wrong imo and i strongly believe there are some "traders" who can be better members of a private tracker than any n00b you collect from the giveaway section !

"traders" who have real life not to spam day/night the forum so one day can they become members of a good private tracker!

And a hope of changing the current trade section since i hate threads like"i have this and that, pm me with offers", it`s obvious that because of users like them there is this perception most of you have ! got a reply of having no chance for change...My answer: i`ve seen FST giveaway/trade section in worst time then now and when no one believed in changes, it came !

[ca_aok]

i see many invites given away for rep points or else, i could see it as a trade form ! depends on everyones perception !

Not really. I've given people here invites, and I have no rep points, nor do I want them really.

i want it to open this subject to see this perception about traders, since it`s wrong imo and i strongly believe there are some "traders" who can be better members of a private tracker than any n00b you collect from the giveaway section !

Yeah, breaking rules before you even join makes you a great member

"traders" who have real life not to spam day/night the forum so one day can they become members of a good private tracker!

Common excuse, and a sad one at that. The truth is they can't be assed to post anything other than their crappy trade offers.

And a hope of changing the current trade section since i hate threads like"i have this and that, pm me with offers", it`s obvious that because of users like them there is this perception most of you have ! got a reply of having no chance for change...My answer: i`ve seen FST giveaway/trade section in worst time then now and when no one believed in changes, it came !

The perception will not change, period. Tracker staff will never accept trading, get over yourself.

[Tv Controls you]

there are some "traders" who can be better members of a private tracker than any n00b you collect from the giveaway section !

In my eyes I think they do have the potential to be a better member, but on the other side of the spectrum you have already broken a rule.
I am really torn on the matter you speak of, which is the source of my neutrality on the anti-trader campaign.

Once again I don't support trading, I'm just sharing my perception of a trader.
Anon-sbi is a prime example of a cheater that has turned out to be a star member of fst.

[anon]

i see many invites given away for rep points or else, i could see it as a trade form ! depends on everyones perception !

On a sidenote, this does happen in invite forums. Give loads of invites and get as much rep points so that you're more "trusted" when making that big request or applying on a similarly-sized giveaway. Sad but true.

[killour]

Once again I don't support trading, I'm just sharing my perception of a trader.

That`s all that anyone really wants from any of us ! Their own thoughts about the topic!

Worst thing is when someone tries to talk on behalf of a tracker

Agree you are breaking the rule that you trade but you also break the rule when you give away invites over here or places like this or just by being member(make a thread on tracker forum that you are member here, if you are curious)...so isn`t funny how you play god and decide which is worst? Isn`t funny the perception created ?

After all everyone decides what he wants to do and that`s how it should be, hate tho` when someone tries to talk on behalf of someone else for what? to show up?

I might not created a good image about me by opening this topic, but i don`t care as long as i make some brains to role a little bit....

[Tv Controls you]

Agree you are breaking the rule that you trade but you also break the rule when you give away invites over here or places like this or just by being member

That depends on the tracker in question. There are a large number of trackers that allow public giveaways.

Worst thing is when someone tries to talk on behalf of a tracker

Who are you referring to?

On a side note, If this is a topic you made in order to justify your trading thread that you withdrawed on then this is really sad.

[Disme]

get as much rep points so that you're more "trusted"

Some people are under the impression 5000+ posts makes you "trusted" too ...

[kallieb]

I can't improve upon some of the relies in this thread, particularly Disme, Artemis and others. As usual, they provide a clear reply to your question. It's unfortunate but all to common that the OP wasn't looking for an answer but more someone to agree with him, or suggest there is value in his position; because since those posts he seems to be still justifying why some elements of trading or ok - or else he argues that it isn't as bad. Either side of the argument is foolish.. imho.

Why some tracker staff aren't too keen about giveaways was touched upon but not explained. To fill in that answer:

Giveaways are problematic because often times the only factor which dictates who gets the invite is some lame ratio proof which means absolutely nothing in terms of how it represents that person, how they are on site, etc. The invite may as well be sold on eBay when you consider just how much useful information the 'winner' of the giveaway actually gives out of him/herself. That in large part is why site staff are not to keen about giveaways.

In one of the replies (I think it was ca-aok) he suggested you'd be surprised just what can come from someone who just puts out a thought-out and honest post explaining why they want a particular invite to a particular community.

Again, regrettably, the OP seemed to not pay too much attention to that as a viable option. The OP may not agree, but to anyone reading this thread, all I can suggest is first off: Disregard the FST forum trolls that are just waiting to jump all over a new poster requesting an invite to some particular community. More often than not, the OP for a request thread post soon after gets a PM from a staffer or site member and if the person isn't some cheater/trader or train wreck waiting to happen he will get an invite. The biggest mistake n00bs make is that fall into the BS way of thinking that trading is fast, guaranteed and the easiest way to get into the sites you want.

'nuf said..//

[anon]

Some people are under the impression 5000+ posts makes you "trusted" too ...

I don't need anyone to trust me, if that's what you mean.

I'm here for the community.