R.I.P FTN or not?

[A]

"FTN is full of cheats who run the tracker for money and then use it for their own"
If i say something like that and when I am asked to explain myself I say "Why should I explain to you?it's not like I owe you anything either, or do you feel like I do?".heh,when you are out of answers or reasoning pulling out the "I dont owe you card" and then calling others Morons for questioning.

The tracker didn't give proof and it only seemed to irk a few morons as far as I can see.

Few?Almost all members are disgruntled by the fact that FTN is not showing proof of what they say what happened coupled with the fact that the donations thread deleted and then being trashed.It really feels that members are happy.

ATM there are 4814 members and how many have come here to complain?? OK then. Like I said a few morons.

Have FTN forums been a fair place for discussion?Taking down posts because "Brandon or staff dosent like it" seems fair?

FTN did it this one time due to a problem they had, how can you possibly compare??

1 time?

20:37 AbyBeats • how much time have ftn asked for donations in the recent pasT?
20:38 ****** • more than 20 times i believe
20:38 ****** • i checked out all the past news of the site
20:38 ****** • and they have been occasionally begging for last 1-2 years

20:37 AbyBeats • ******
20:37 AbyBeats • how much time have ftn asked for donations in the recent pasT?
20:38 ****** • more than 20 times i believe
20:38 ****** • i checked out all the past news of the site
20:38 ****** • and they have been occasionally begging for last 1-2 years
20:38 AbyBeats • i mean in recent 6 months?
20:38 ****** • one min
20:40 ****** • about 4-5 times
20:40 AbyBeats • are u sure?
20:41 ****** • 4 times sure
20:41 AbyBeats • k
20:41 ****** • brandon is clever
20:41 AbyBeats • btw
20:41 AbyBeats • in forums posts are also deleted?
20:41 ****** • he has unique reason for everytime he asks for donations
20:42 AbyBeats • i mean posts which raises questions
20:42 ****** • yeah
20:42 ****** • suckers
20:42 ****** • ftn staff are mofos
20:42 ****** • bleh i barely use tat site anymore

This is probably the most ignorant statement you have made yet

"Detale,First of all when a site asks for donations like countless times repeatedly,the tracker in reality is run by the people who donate"

Did you miss reading the later part?

Detale,First of all when a site asks for donations like countless times repeatedly,the tracker in reality is run by the people who donate.Without money the tracker dosent exists.And you say "the tracker dosent owe anything?".If this was the case of what.cd I would have said they owe nothing but FTN?

[Detale]

LOL, OK so now you sound even dumber than when you first started. At least your posts were somewhat intelligible then.

Few?Almost all members are disgruntled by the fact that FTN is not showing proof of what they say what happened coupled with the fact that the donations thread deleted and then being trashed.It really feels that members are happy.

Hmmm where do you get your stats from or is this like everything else where you pull it out of your ass. Almost all huh, proof? didn't think so.

Have FTN forums been a fair place for discussion?Taking down posts because "Brandon or staff dosent like it" seems fair?

Dude it's their site and they can do as they wish even if you or I don't agree. If you don't like it cancel your membership, simple as that. It has been said as long as I know and it's so true. Their site their rules. If you don't like it LEAVE! but don't cry like a little girl with a scraped knee.

Another lol, ok I did say 1 time but I thought you were smarter than to take it literally. I was wrong

I meant one time recently. Again trackers do need money so asking for it isn't a huge deal. Almost all trackers ask for money occasionally?

Originally posted by my ass
20:41 Detale • So you DO know that you're wrong right?
20:41 AbyBeats • Of course I do, I just enjoy making an ass out of myself.
20:41 Detale • Yeah but dude, it's going on for a while now. I mean c'mon
20:41 AbyBeats • I can't help myself my overwhelming need to be a fool is too great
20:42 Detale • Yeah I guess, but you're spewing garbage with NO PROOF of anything
20:42 AbyBeats • Who needs proof to be a moron?
20:42 Detale • True, true, fuck it by all means continue.
20:42 AbyBeats • I think I will for a while, I'm even going to make that poll we talked about and leave out an option for people who aren't members
20:42 Detale • Cool good luck making an ass out of yourself, not that you'll need it.

see I can make up IRC convo's also Thinking of it now I should have added asterisks as well, meh next time.

Wow, OK so yes trackers need money to survive, but just because you donate it doesn't mean you have a say as to how the spend what it noe THEIR money. They could add a new server, get a faster host or even more seedboxes for their uploaders. Again there is a distinct difference between donations and payments. I'm sure you can Google both if you are still confused.

[A]

Hmmm where do you get your stats from or is this like everything else where you pull it out of your ass. Almost all huh, proof? didn't think so.

Sigh.You see,almost all people here in fst is unhappy,in TPS most of them have shown how disgruntled they were within their limits of expressing it,In ETIV almost 99% of them didnt like what FTN did and majority have expressed how pathetic FTN is in CFS.And members in FTN are not allowed to speak because the comments get deleted.I think its time you took your head out of the circle of FTN friends and see for yourself.And if you think all these forums as shit,I can start a poll in facebook for you.

Originally posted by my ass
20:41 Detale • So you DO know that you're wrong right?
20:41 AbyBeats • Of course I do, I just enjoy making an ass out of myself.
20:41 Detale • Yeah but dude, it's going on for a while now. I mean c'mon
20:41 AbyBeats • I can't help myself my overwhelming need to be a fool is too great
20:42 Detale • Yeah I guess, but you're spewing garbage with NO PROOF of anything
20:42 AbyBeats • Who needs proof to be a moron?
20:42 Detale • True, true, fuck it by all means continue.
20:42 AbyBeats • I think I will for a while, I'm even going to make that poll we talked about and leave out an option for people who aren't members
20:42 Detale • Cool good luck making an ass out of yourself, not that you'll need it.
see I can make up IRC convo's also Thinking of it now I should have added asterisks as well, meh next time.

Oh my!are you this immature?just because you cant communicate your points effectively,you are adding in cheap words and your frustration is being displayed.That irc was the reply to you (which I had with my friend)when you stated this

FTN did it this one time due to a problem they had, how can you possibly compare??

And the one difference between your pathetic "made up" irc convo and my irc convo is that mine has validity(because anyone can say if the contents in it is wrong) while yours is shit.

Wow, OK so yes trackers need money to survive, but just because you donate it doesn't mean you have a say as to how the spend what it noe THEIR money. They could add a new server, get a faster host or even more seedboxes for their uploaders. Again there is a distinct difference between donations and payments. I'm sure you can Google both if you are still confused.

Or each staff can buy a new lexus,because "but just because you donate it doesn't mean you have a say as to how the spend what it noe THEIR money."And please state before starting another donation drive for staff to buy new cars,because people will be thinking that they are donating for maintaining the servers.Or things like what pham did to PTP will happen.C'mon we shouldnt ask what is being done with donations right?

I meant one time recently. Again trackers do need money so asking for it isn't a huge deal. Almost all trackers ask for money occasionally?

What is this recent for you? 1 month?because they have already asked 4 times in the recent 6 months.First you said this

FTN did it this one time due to a problem they had

and then you add "recently".And for your info, recently they have been asking for Money in numerous occassions.Are you denying this fact?

Dude it's their site and they can do as they wish even if you or I don't agree. If you don't like it cancel your membership, simple as that. It has been said as long as I know and it's so true. Their site their rules. If you don't like it LEAVE! but don't cry like a little girl with a scraped knee.

That dosent stop anyone from criticizing the things done there.

[Di@monds]

Detale, are you doing drugs atm?
1. if they are adding new server, they will let us know(asking more money again and again)...
2. seedboxes for their uploaders? big lol
3. how many invites you will get from brandon?
a definition of a good solid private tracker is they never ask for donation.

[tippertime]

why would FTN want to bring anymore attention to the situation then there already has been?...

if they did show "proof" of funds being frozen all it would do is start more threads like this at many more places and make them an even bigger target for Paypal or whoever else they are using now to shut them down.

fact of the matter is once they get enough money to pay the bills the donation page goes away...I don't know of any other site that does that, do you?

[deadalive1]

It has been said as long as I know and it's so true. Their site their rules. If you don't like it LEAVE!

This is true, yet most who like to bitch and moan on different forums and certain blogs about how certain sites tracker staff are egotistical or just plain wrong on how THEY should run THEIR trackers won't EVER leave. If they did leave they'd have nothing to bitch about, there would be no drama to be stirred.......

If a person doesn't like how a tracker is run and/or feels the need to start threads about it everywhere complaining about said tracker then man up and ask for your account to be disabled/deleted, instead of whining and complaining about it, it really is as simple as that.......

[A]

If a person doesn't like how a tracker is run and/or feels the need to start threads about it everywhere complaining about said tracker then man up and ask for your account to be disabled/deleted, instead of whining and complaining about it, it really is as simple as that.......

So what you are saying is,if a tracker is doing questionable stuff,all quietly delete their accounts and dont talk about it anywhere?lemme ask you one simple question:Why shouldnt people discuss and ask questions?and who is whining and complaining here?isint this a discussion about the steps that FTN has taken and if you agree or not?Or cant we even do that?

[Quarterquack]

I don't understand one thing. When people question Brandon's sincerity, it seems like he has a lot of backup. When people expose other staffers' thievery, people are all about it like wolves. So, let's be honest, why do people hold the double standard?

[deadalive1]

Yes, asking questions is fine but sadly when people don't get the answers they like they tend to complain and try to stir up drama, make false accusations etc.

What's worse is that these same people who do this NEVER leave the tracker they are accusing of doing certain things. To me that is hypocritical, you (not you individually but as in you in a general sense) don't like certain aspects of how a tracker is run and feel the need to make accusations without supplying any sort of proof other than speculation is IMO going beyond just "asking" questions.

I don't know if what was reported by FTN staff was the actual case or not, but honestly I am not going to lose any sleep over it either....

I like the tracker and I know first hand it isn't an easy task to run a tracker and keep everyone happy. With all the closings the past year or so people should be more appreciative of those who are still around and put their freedoms at risk so we can get the content we like and enjoy.

[A]

Yes, asking questions is fine but sadly when people don't get the answers they like they tend to complain and try to stir up drama, make false accusations etc.

What should people do when they dont get answers even after asking over and over again?

I don't know if what was reported by FTN staff was the actual case or not, but honestly I am not going to lose any sleep over it either....

That is your stance and opinion but there are people who would like to know what really is going on.Especially people who have contributed to the community.