Speed

[bigboab]

Originally posted by bigboab@29 October 2003 - 10:57
Just two simple questions.
Why were you doing a 105 mph when you knew that this was breaking the law?
Are you one of these people that stand drinking in a bar(With your car sitting outside) and say. 'They broke into my car and stole my stereo(Putting no one in danger by the way), They should lock the bastards away'?

Two simple answers would suffice.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by djfactory@30 October 2003 - 17:35
you shouldnt of been speeding, you could have killed someone!

you can kill people whether you're speeding or not...

[Busyman]

Originally posted by LTJBukem+29 October 2003 - 17:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LTJBukem &#064; 29 October 2003 - 17:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-randyandyD@29 October 2003 - 13:33

I see a wide spectrum of views out there in cyberland. I suggest, that all the hypocritical shit shovers should look at thier own driving styles. 105 on a motorway is a lot safer to other road users than some dick who pulls out of a junction in the face of incoming traffic. oh yeah, I dont want to heal, I just want loads of money

I hope that when you refer to "the dick who pulls out of a junction in the face of oncoming traffic", you&#39;re not talking about the accident which i witnessed. In this case, the driver of the car that pulled out of the junction did so before the speeding driver appeared and killed his wife and child.
A slight curve is still a corner. In this case it was also a blind corner as you could not see the policeman.



It amazes me that people are posting here, suggesting that excessive speed isn&#39;t a major cause of road accidents. I suggest they read up on the subject.

@Livy. I&#39;m assuming i&#39;m not understanding you correctly. If this old wifey was manouvering toward a slip road and never saw you passing her in her path, then you must have been undertaking her on an inside lane. This would also be illegal, and is dangerous driving. [/b][/quote]
Just speeding does not cause most accidents.
Not paying attention "causes" most accidents.
Speeding does reduce reaction time to some other dork not "paying attention".

example:
If I&#39;m speeding down the highway and some dick (a slow driver)cuts me off and I plow into the back of him did I "cause" the accident? No
He wasn&#39;t paying attention to who is coming up the other lane.
I know I know then the argument is "If you hadn&#39;t been speeding you could have slowed down before you hit him". True. But does that discount the bonehead that cut me off? If I was driving the speed limit, was cut off and I hit him what then?

Wreckless driving is one thing but speeding is not always wreckless driving?
Going 100 mph in 30 mph zone is wreckless but.........

So is cutting me off on the beltway

[LTJBukem]

@Busyman

Yes, mistakes are made on the road due to a lack of concentration. That&#39;s why experienced drivers know that they have to drive at such a speed that they can react safely to other road users mistakes. That&#39;s why we have speed limits.

If I&#39;m speeding down the highway and some dick (a slow driver)cuts me off and I plow into the back of him did I "cause" the accident? No

Yes. In part you would have. Your excessive speed would be a contributory factor to the accident. If you had been driving within the speed limit, you would maybe have been able to take exasive action to avoid possibly killing yourself, your passengers, and the occupants of the other car.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by LTJBukem@30 October 2003 - 22:55
@Busyman

Yes, mistakes are made on the road due to a lack of concentration. That&#39;s why experienced drivers know that they have to drive at such a speed that they can react safely to other road users mistakes. That&#39;s why we have speed limits.

If I&#39;m speeding down the highway and some dick (a slow driver)cuts me off and I plow into the back of him did I "cause" the accident? No

Yes. In part you would have. Your excessive speed would be a contributory factor to the accident. If you had been driving within the speed limit, you would maybe have been able to take exasive action to avoid possibly killing yourself, your passengers, and the occupants of the other car.

Man you just repeated what I&#39;ve already said. I already know the insurance company stance ....damn

I know I know then the argument is "If you hadn&#39;t been speeding you could have slowed down before you hit him". True. But does that discount the bonehead that cut me off? If I was driving the speed limit, was cut off and I hit him what then?

Wreckless driving is one thing but speeding is not always wreckless driving?
Going 100 mph in 30 mph zone is wreckless but.........

So is cutting me off on the beltway

Anyway my point is PAY ATTENTION&#33;&#33;&#33;
The guy that doesn&#39;t PAY ATTENTION is the one that hits a pedestrian crossing while you are making a right on a red light.
Speeding is not always bad though. It gets me past slow inconsiderate bastards&#33;&#33;

[LTJBukem]

Originally posted by me+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (me)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Yes, mistakes are made on the road due to a lack of concentration. That&#39;s why experienced drivers know that they have to drive at such a speed that they can react safely to other road users mistakes. That&#39;s why we have speed limits. [/b]

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Ten years or so ago i witnessed something terrible that had a lasting and profound effect on me. I was travelling in South Africa with a friend, when i witnessed a horrendous traffic accident. We had been hitch hiking near Mossel Bay and got a lift off this really sound guy. We were chatting away happily when a car overtook us doing a crazy speed, despite the road being bendy with many blind corners. Ten minutes later we rounded a bend where we saw an accident had occurred.

The same car that had just overtook us, had rounded a corner and ploughed into the back of another car that had pulled out of a junction. The force of the collision had rammed the slow moving car into a ditch with it&#39;s back end ending up in the air at 90 degrees.

Of course we stopped, not that there was a thing we could do. In the upturned car was a young couple and a child of four years of age. The child, who had been sat in the back seat and not wearing a seat belt, had shot forward head first between her parents into the windscreen. While the mother and child apparently died instantly, the father survived. He did however lose the use of his legs, which were crushed by the steering wheel shaft. The driver of the speeding car also died later in hospital.

While it was a miracle that the Father survived, how tragic it is that he had to witness the horrible death of his wife and child, then after a lengthy period of rehabillitation, spend his life in a wheel chair. All because someone they had never met chose to drive at a dangerous speed.

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Comment?

[Busyman]

Originally posted by LTJBukem+30 October 2003 - 23:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LTJBukem &#064; 30 October 2003 - 23:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-me
Yes, mistakes are made on the road due to a lack of concentration. That&#39;s why experienced drivers know that they have to drive at such a speed that they can react safely to other road users mistakes. That&#39;s why we have speed limits.

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It&#39;s a minor band-aid to the problem.
Most accidents I see in Washington DC area occur due to NOT PAYING ATTENTION.
I&#39;ve been "speeding" almost since I could drive but have NEVER had an accident due to speed. Always bullshit fender benders due to LACK OF ATTENTION. The accident I saw yesterday on the beltway:
Car in lane 3 lane goes into lane 2 and bumps the front right fender of the lane 3 car and makes him spin out.
I can&#39;t remember who but there was some official that said for everyone to drive safely the speed limit should be 5-10 mph. Ridiculous. Why drive then?
Don&#39;t get me wrong I&#39;m not talking about speeding in residential areas that may have deer, kids, pedestrians possible darting out into the street. I&#39;m talking about highway driving where if you check your blind spots and rearviews, you can clearly see a driver coming beside you. If you don&#39;t do that your&#39;re the idiot whether I&#39;m speeding or not.

Go drive blindfolded >_<

[LTJBukem]

Originally posted by me+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (me)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>drive at such a speed that they can react safely to other road users mistakes[/b]

Originally posted by you@
It&#39;s a minor band-aid to the problem.

Explain please.

People make mistakes, that&#39;s human nature. Hopefully when people make mistakes when driving, other road users are maintaining a safe distance and speed to react in time.

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I&#39;m talking about highway driving where if you check your blind spots and rearviews, you can clearly see a driver coming beside you. If you don&#39;t do that your&#39;re the idiot whether I&#39;m speeding or not[/quote]
It doesn&#39;t matter whether you think they are an idiot. Do you want to maybe kill them, and yourself, simply because they made a driving error?

[Busyman]

You seem to not understand something. I know the rationale behind what your&#39;re saying. It&#39;s simple textbook talk. Heard it before and it&#39;s nothing profound. My point is if what the "textbooks" and experts say is true why not drive 40 mph in a 55 mph zone? You have better reaction time. Right? Why 30 mph? Why not 20?
Almost no one drives 55 mph anyway. They at least drive 60. OOOOOOOoooooo....they are dannnnnngggerrrrous.

[LTJBukem]

I doubt that 5mph over the limit is what you refer to when you said "I&#39;ve been "speeding" almost since I could drive".

You explain to me your version of the laws of physics, particularly momentum. Explain reaction time and stopping distances. Also explain how you are better qualified to comment on road safety than the experts in that field.

You might also care to read up on road traffic accident statistics, then you would see that one third of said accidents are caused by excessive speed. Oh, but you know better than those statistics. Yeah right.