Marxism/communism/socialism

[noname12]

Finish posting Already, I need to leave

Meh, I must go, I will ready your Insults later

[echidna]

Originally posted by noname12@1 November 2003 - 16:33
All I can say is dont like it, I dont care, I will keep it just because you want me to change it. If some one finds it offensive they can block it off if they wish.

If I like Stalin or Castro or Who ever the hell else, your not going to change it and no ammount of big words and pathetic insults is going to change it.

Now should I add hitlers picture to the bottom just to annoy you?

Meh, being jewish doesnt stop me from have any opinion I wish, and if I wanted to put hitlers picture in my sig, are you going to stop me?

Go find something else to complain about rather then my sig.

As for all the other things said below, if you indeed find a flaw in what I wrote, point it out  I believe pretty much every thing was covered in the revised version of my views due to a nice talk with some one who would make you look like a slack jawed hick who knows as much as Bush 

Communism is from Marx, Marx was a Jewish thinker, He studied religion umong other things such as economics and bla bla. He found that the West cannot run under Religious views any more giving birth to his views. Communism was indeed his child, Socialism was umong it although socialism in this case can be completely derived from the Jewish belief of 90% Economy 10% Spirituality. But Socialism was first perfectly implimented by Islam which was 50%/50%

Oh yeas As I said previously IF they where all implimented in there true meaning they would work  Communism could have been implimented in Russia, it could have worked and would have made the Union a super state that non could rival with. But when the Wishes of Lenin where ignored and Stalin brought in every thing pretty much went down the toilet. And just incase you ask, I find Stalin to be a interesting person, has brains but made such a mistake, I think he is worth my attention for further studies.

Now did I miss anything?

Read above to see the references to the figures, lenin, trotskishi and so on.

Did I miss anything else?

Thank you for finding my posts ammusing, May you laugh at many more including this one 

.... Isnt fidel castro a human rights violator   

i don't really care if you keep your sig or not.

i'm only concerned that you inform yourself about the images that you iterate.

so keep on reading and researching stalin :: don'take one persons word for it, find out for youself from as many sources as you can find.

your revised posts were a decent coloquial paraphrasing, but were far from thorough or strictly historical.

you do know that stalin had trotsky murdered with an ice pick in mexico. don't you?

my gripe is that you shouldn't spruke for agendas that you do not comprehend

castro like many heads of state has probably infringed on the ideals of human rights
for a cat in a giant joseph stalin shaped house you sure like chucking rocks around

[echidna]

Originally posted by noname12@1 November 2003 - 16:49
Finish posting Already, I need to leave

Meh, I must go, I will ready your Insults later

go then

don't let me hold you up

think of them as constructive criticism as i'm not concerned with insulting you,
unless that is what will motivate you to gain better understanding of the history you're playing with.

[Rat Faced]

All I can say is dont like it, I dont care, I will keep it just because you want me to change it. If some one finds it offensive they can block it off if they wish.

If I like Stalin or Castro or Who ever the hell else, your not going to change it and no ammount of big words and pathetic insults is going to change it.

Now should I add hitlers picture to the bottom just to annoy you?

Noname12

Well actually, no you wont.

We have already had an argument with someone regarding Hitler and Nazi'sm in his sig....and he used your use of Stalin as a defence.

ie If you used Stalin, why cant he use Hitler.


We replied to him, that Nazism is instantly recognisable, while someone would have to know something about politics to recognise Stalin, and the history of the Soviet Union.

As such we have to wait for someone to complain with regard to Stalin...we didnt have to wait for someone to complain about Hitler.

So...if you sig disappears at some point...you'll know that someone has complained

[Will_518]

Why would someone complain about his sig? Who find Stalin offensive in the 21st century? surely he's a thing of the past. Hitler is still relevant, 'cos he kinda symbolises racism, but what does stalin symbolise now?

Anyway, i don't see the point of arguing about his sig, if he's as ignorant as you guys seem to think he is, then surely he is just like one of the guys we seen shouting for the national front, or BNP; just another bigot. Is it worth arguing with such a bigot? of course if you got nothing better to do, it's a free country.

As for Marxism, communism stuff, i must first say i didn't study "capital", "communist manefestal", or "history of communism", or any of the theory books by Lenin, trosky, Stalin, Mao, or Deng.
But, I don't really think communism would work in the real world, 'cos, surely the whole point of living is to get one over your fellow men, to beat the rest. That's why we have celebs, why we admire (or hate) successful people like Bill Gates; and why we want to be doctors, engineers...

What would be the goal of the individual in a communist world? what would one strive for?

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@1 November 2003 - 20:42
So...if you sig disappears at some point...you'll know that someone has complained

Is this not a little out of order? His sig is either allowed, or it isn't. Surely a complaint is only equal to a member's desire to use it. What if someone were to put a Leeds United logo in their sig, and a Manchester United supporter were to be offended, would it be taken down? I find Christianity to be offensive, and it has possibly been responsible for more innocent deaths than any dictator. In fact, the refusal of the catholic church to allow birth control, abortion, or even sex education, is still killing people to this day. Should you not ban religious iconography? If no-name wishes to use images of Stalin, he should be allowed to, or no-one should use anything offensive.

[MediaSlayer]

Originally posted by blackhatknight@1 November 2003 - 01:10
I'm not sure i argee with this but i once heard it argued the earliest form of cummunisim was found in the Bible after the day of pentecost where the early followers sold their possession and life in something a long the lines of a hippy communion

google for "essenes"

[blackhatknight]

Mediaslayer excellent comment.

Let me develop my point a little further this was, to my knowledge, the first communist community and indeed others may disagree, but with a word only meaning what two people agree it to be by communism I mean a profound social, political and economic move towards equality

This incident of the community is documented in chapter 4 of ACTS chapter five begins by discussing the incident between Ananias and Sapphira how sold property but held back some money for themselves, when it was in the nature of community to share all worldly possessions (those familiar with the story will know there is much speculation over these events and it is not my intention to discuss them) but rather highlight the point that communism, anarchy and other extreme left wing political structures all suffer from one fundamental flaw, they relay on the good nature of man kind which I believe is innately absent from him.

Consequently I align myself with soft left wing and more right wing political structures, and I do this reluctantly for the romantic in me does not want to give up all hope in his fellow man.

It is also worth noting that many people have recieved explainations of what right wing and left wing are by means of a horizontal line with left wing at one end and right at the other i would argue this is also a misrepresentation of the systems, when i explain it i draw a circle allowing extreme right wingers and left wingers to meet on the same ground which i would describe as dictatorship which has result out of both left and ring wing system, and as pointed out already stalin stands as an excellent example of this

EDIT: spelling and last paragraph added

[Will_518]

You draw a circle? But there is quite a difference between extreme left wing and extreme right wing. They hate each other, and the left have a dictatorship which is in theory not supposed to last (dictatorship is justa process toward total communism); while the right wing have a dictatorship that's supposed to last a thousand years.

Of course, i think this right wing, left wing stuff is absurd for the 21st century. What about the good religious ppl who love their fellow men? (by this i don't mean they are gay). Neither the left nor right tolerants all religions.

[noname12]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@1 November 2003 - 11:42

All I can say is dont like it, I dont care, I will keep it just because you want me to change it. If some one finds it offensive they can block it off if they wish.

If I like Stalin or Castro or Who ever the hell else, your not going to change it and no ammount of big words and pathetic insults is going to change it.

Now should I add hitlers picture to the bottom just to annoy you?

Noname12

Well actually, no you wont.

We have already had an argument with someone regarding Hitler and Nazi'sm in his sig....and he used your use of Stalin as a defence.

ie If you used Stalin, why cant he use Hitler.


We replied to him, that Nazism is instantly recognisable, while someone would have to know something about politics to recognise Stalin, and the history of the Soviet Union.

As such we have to wait for someone to complain with regard to Stalin...we didnt have to wait for someone to complain about Hitler.

So...if you sig disappears at some point...you'll know that someone has complained

w00t its not been removed

All I can say is to you that complaints, I have found many sigs to be beyond any of my tastes but I dont care its called freedom to opinions and that freedom includes there right to blast it.

If some one was to put hitlers picture up, I wouldnt complain, I dont care, if some one likes hitler there problem not mine.

As for the rest of every thing, I feel I have answered what was needed with help of a friend, although I do admit in the beginning I did not understand communism as I truly thought but I still feel I have managed to argue my point without sinking to insults, I only did that when they questioned my beautiful avatar and sig, which if does cause so much offence I may just put Ariel sharons picture instead.

Now let this go back to the original arguement or let it be closed, I do wish to learn more about this marxism because until recently I had no idea what it was and would like to argue it further.

I have put across my views of the similarities between Communism and Socialism and I have argued how I believe Socialism is the product of Jewish and Islamic political systems.

Those who wish to argue this point please do. If you wish to argue my sig and avatar choice I will more then gladly accept PM's from you and if the case is well put with out childish insults I will remove it to something more tasteful but for now I believe it shall remain.

Thank you.

And thanks Billy Dean