Obama Administration to File Suit Over Arizona Immigration Law

[j2k4]

everything you said is so racist and easy to disassemble. its way too easy for me to go after. YOU WANNA pretend like you have some sort of right i dont. and thats bullshit. its mine as it is yours. i was born here. chicagoan. i dont owe you jack. ANd you dont own anything. This land is NOT yours, Which is exactly was i was talking about. Whites like you have this chip on their shoulder like they own something and because they say so, it goes. they are delusional. Do everyone a favor and read something thats not written by limbaugh or mental case glenn beck.

I didn't call you an illegal, but you seem to be advocating (insofar as it can be discerned) amnesty for illegals, or you fail to acknowledge that there are illegals, or asserting that an undocumented Mexican crossing the border cannot be considered illegal, or that Mexicans, illegal or otherwise, have some sort of extraordinary claim to American soil.

If you don't mean any of that, I would be very happy to see you clarify your views, and try to express any other than that I am racist.

By the way:

American land belongs to Americans, no matter their origins; if you are legal, then congratulations, and for the record, I am talking specifically about ILLEGAL, UNDOCUMENTED, OR CRIMINAL IMMIGRANTS, so figure out what arguments you want to press, and make sure they will stick, huh?

AND again you wanna pussyfoot around the fact that passing this retarded Act of Racial Purification wont do a damn thing. BEfore you go any further with your racist ranting, explain to me how, a citizen, like myself, will be better for showing papers. Again, taking in that i can get a birth certificate at a strip mall. If your not going to use biometrics, youre just being irrational. You WERE JUST TALKING TO ME LIKE IM TAKING "YOuR" LAND. what sense of entitlement you have. . I WAS BORN HERE!!!!! How ignorant does one have to be? You wanna start calling me SPIC and WETBACK too?

When you say, "this retarded Act of Racial Purification", to what are you referring?

If it's what is going on in Arizona, last I checked Chicago was in Illinois, so you must be objecting on someone else's behalf, right?

Can you imagine the evolution in immigration policy that would have to occur in order for you to suffer related profiling that far north?

I realize you have an empathy for your brethren south of the border (as have I, though I don't expect you to believe that), but, if you insist that you are 'as American' as I am, why can't you see the need for orderly immigration and documentation?

As to your fears about profiling, if you think the objective is to sight out enemies by looking in the opposite direction, can I ask you whether, when you walk into a fast-food place, do you expect to receive a hamburger if you point at the chicken sandwich?

If your skin is brown, you may suffer occasional unwanted attention from the laws.

If you are a woman, you have tits and guys will stare.

Those are just the facts, sorry - if you really object, I suggest you develop a serious dislike of the semitic-types who are responsible for your dilemma.

Also - if you ever catch me calling you a "spic" or a "wetback", I will follow by furnishing you my address, a gun, and a bus ticket so you can find me and kill me.

See what i mean? Already you start calling a Citizen, natural born, 2nd gen. an ILLEGAL and feel like youre entitled to more rights. can u Imagine once they start enforcing? Play by "OUR" rules? Who's that the KKK? Really who are you referring to when you say OUR? REally guy you wanna start picking up guns? Let me guess your watching nascar and drinking DrPepper straight out the 2liter right now?

Again, I never called you an illegal; any sane reading of my post reveals my differing with the views you have expressed, not your skin color, about which I have no knowledge whatsoever.

Oh, and I hate NASCAR and Dr. Pepper; indeed, I don't drink pop at all.

Why are we canvassing? Why is the church involved? use your common sense. why do you think? the census is over and no one is getting paid. Everyone is a volunteer.

I am using common sense, and, having re-read that paragraph, I see no reference to "church" involvement.

The blurb above doesn't help...they are canvassing because the census is over? Because they are not getting paid?

What?

Take a look at the FACTS before you start spewing out HITLER's name. The only ones acting like NAZI's are the ones trying to pass this law. and the law outlawing ethic studies, and revoking the natural born rights given by the COnstitution. I wonder what mental loops one has to go through to overlook that. Did you not see the picture i posted up of the author of this thing with the NEO NAZI? or do i need to post it again?

According to the thread title, this is about the Arizona immigration law, which is a carbon-copy of existing (but unenforced) federal law.

What of that?

As to the Hitler reference, I reserve the same rhetorical rights as you and your fellow liberals.

I am an American as well.

[j2k4]

This stuff isn't difficult to figure out, you know.

Especially if you're a right wing conspiracy nut.

C'mon, that's taking the easy way out, you lily-white liberal.

[l33tpirata13]

I didn't call you an illegal, but you seem to be advocating (insofar as it can be discerned) amnesty for illegals, or you fail to acknowledge that there are illegals, or asserting that an undocumented Mexican crossing the border cannot be considered illegal, or that Mexicans, illegal or otherwise, have some sort of extraordinary claim to American soil.

You can try and backpedal all you want. You were throwing me in the same boat. Which is exactly my point. Thanks.
You dont know my stance? Do a little reading that doesnt involve ann coulter. in particular this thread.

When you say, "this retarded Act of Racial Purification", to what are you referring?

Seriously?
To all the laws being directed at latinos. I have to say it over and over again because you CHOOSE to ignore it conveniently. Ending ethnic studies--aimed at latinos. ending natural born citizenship--aimed at latinos. Paper please law--aimed at latinos. The no papers no utilities ACT--aimed at latinos. You wanna pretend like im generalizing when i say its kkk running the show. IT LITERALLY IS!!!!!! White power at its finest (which is pretty low).
IGNORE THE FACT that this law is so fucking stupid....its impossible to enforce. what are you enforcing? Its all done to degrade latinos.
Picture this. i get pulled over. I DO HAVE MY PAPERS, and the asshole cop thinks they are fake? What then? How can i prove they are real if we arent using biometrics? YOU CANT!!! So again, WHATS THE POINT!!!! and address it!!!!! dont ignore it conveniently as you like.

Can you imagine the evolution in immigration policy that would have to occur in order for you to suffer related profiling that far north?

YEAH i can. You were calling me illegal and you didnt even have enough sense to read my prior posts on the issue. You just threw us all in the SAME TRAIN. YOU HAD NO PROBLEM MAKING THE JUMP!!!!!!!!!! So you think i should trust cops being ETHICAL!!!! i wanna puke, laugh, and shit at the same time even using cops and ethical in the same sentence. i mean really look at what you did on your Rant....YOUre wrong and you dont even know it. i think thats called ignorant. sorry u just are.

I realize you have an empathy for your brethren south of the border (as have I, though I don't expect you to believe that), but, if you insist that you are 'as American' as I am, why can't you see the need for orderly immigration and documentation?

Really, if youre not gonna even have the common decency to read the thread, why post your views and spew your assumptions?

If your skin is brown, you may suffer occasional unwanted attention from the laws.
If you are a woman, you have tits and guys will stare.

Gee, one is due to sexual nature and the other to white paranoid oppression. Can you really not tell the difference? disturbing really.......

Also - if you ever catch me calling you a "spic" or a "wetback", I will follow by furnishing you my address, a gun, and a bus ticket so you can find me and kill me.

you should pm me your address. It amazes me how oblivious you are to your own racist tendencies. What you just said is the equivalent of saying youre not racist because u got a black friend. just words. you dont really feel that way.

I am using common sense, and, having re-read that paragraph, I see no reference to "church" involvement.
The blurb above doesn't help...they are canvassing because the census is over? Because they are not getting paid?

really i dont wanna tell you shit, you were already talking about taking up arms. like they need any heat from people like you. Just know this, we are mobilizing.

According to the thread title, this is about the Arizona immigration law, which is a carbon-copy of existing (but unenforced) federal law.
What of that?

NO its not, and... The fed reserves powers that the states cannot. If it were that easy then whichever state needed cash would start printing it for themselves. Its called a democracy and its based on checks and balances. Have you ever heard of the "Supremecy Clause"?

The provision contemplates a circumscribed role for state and local officials, to be sure, but the Arizona law authorizes a much broader role. Particularly: The Arizona law authorizes arrest without a showing of a prior felony, the requirement under (a)(2), above. Here's the provision from SB 1070:
E. A law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States.
An alien's unauthorized presence in the United States is just such an offense under 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1227. Arizona's law is thus in conflict with the federal law and likely violates the Supremacy Clause under conflict preemption.

NEXT?

[j2k4]

You claim I am throwing you into the boat with illegals?

Tell me how, precisely and succinctly, leaving out the chatter about racism.

Be a model of brevity, but demonstrate your proofs, or fuck off.


The Arizona act proper is a very accurate echo of existing federal law.

Whatever you may imagine add-on or adjunct laws coming from elsewhere to be, I think (according to prevailing paranoias about conspiracies, or rather the accusation of same) I should ask you to parse "paper please", or "no papers, no utilities ACT(!)", or anything else for direct reference to anyone of Latino origin.

You may report back here when you have evidence-in-hand.

Actual evidence, rather than a feeling.

Picture this:

An ignorant cop pulls you over, and treats your papers as 'suspicious'.

He formalizes a complaint, you counter-sue, own his ass in court, and collect damages.

Welcome to my world.

As to the rest of this thread, nothing exists here I am not aware of, from other auspices.

There is nothing new under this particular sun.

Or do you think FST is the only place this is being discussed...

[l33tpirata13]

You claim I am throwing you into the boat with illegals?
Tell me how, precisely and succinctly, leaving out the chatter about racism.

read your OWN posts. im tired of repeating myself to one of rush's lapdogs.

Be a model of brevity, but demonstrate your proofs, or fuck off.

Take youre own advise, or fuck off.

The Arizona act proper is a very accurate echo of existing federal law.

you said earlier it was a CARbon copy. Make up your mind. You just keep degrading yourself. really theres no point in discussing anything with you. i feel grimey just replying you.

Whatever you may imagine add-on or adjunct laws coming from elsewhere to be, I think (according to prevailing paranoias about conspiracies, or rather the accusation of same) I should ask you to parse "paper please", or "no papers, no utilities ACT(!)", or anything else for direct reference to anyone of Latino origin.
You may report back here when you have evidence-in-hand.
Actual evidence, rather than a feeling.

pick up a newspaper might do you some good. im not going to educate you. just keep being you for all i care. youre just an ant to what this is. you obviously dont have the capacity to think beyond your white picket fence.

Picture this:
An ignorant cop pulls you over, and treats your papers as 'suspicious'.
He formalizes a complaint, you counter-sue, own his ass in court, and collect damages.
Welcome to my world.

youre sick if you think i want to be detained in any capacity for any amount of time. youre money isnt good enough. Take police to court? youre just silly and a waste of my time. grow some common sense and some decency while youre at it.

and again you refer to it as YOUR WORLD. White entitlement.

so here, how about we start progressing on this thread? whats your argument to not being able to prove anyone is an illegal without biometrics? if you cant simply do that, fuck off.

[j2k4]

read your OWN posts. im tired of repeating myself to one of rush's lapdogs.

Be a model of brevity, but demonstrate your proofs, or fuck off.

Take youre own advise, or fuck off.

The Arizona act proper is a very accurate echo of existing federal law.

you said earlier it was a CARbon copy. Make up your mind. You just keep degrading yourself. really theres no point in discussing anything with you. i feel grimey just replying you.

Whatever you may imagine add-on or adjunct laws coming from elsewhere to be, I think (according to prevailing paranoias about conspiracies, or rather the accusation of same) I should ask you to parse "paper please", or "no papers, no utilities ACT(!)", or anything else for direct reference to anyone of Latino origin.
You may report back here when you have evidence-in-hand.
Actual evidence, rather than a feeling.

pick up a newspaper might do you some good. im not going to educate you. just keep being you for all i care. youre just an ant to what this is. you obviously dont have the capacity to think beyond your white picket fence.

Picture this:
An ignorant cop pulls you over, and treats your papers as 'suspicious'.
He formalizes a complaint, you counter-sue, own his ass in court, and collect damages.
Welcome to my world.

youre sick if you think i want to be detained in any capacity for any amount of time. youre money isnt good enough. Take police to court? youre just silly and a waste of my time. grow some common sense and some decency while youre at it.

and again you refer to it as YOUR WORLD. White entitlement.

so here, how about we start progressing on this thread? whats your argument to not being able to prove anyone is an illegal without biometrics? if you cant simply do that, fuck off.

You really don't like to debate, do you.

Let's just try a little Q & A, then:

Do you think the people (Mexicans, if you will) who cross the southern border of the United States so that they might find a more hospitable situation here, should be recorded upon crossing so as to know precisely whom is in the country?

In other words, should the entry of people (non-citizens) into this country be formally noted.

Yes or no.

[l33tpirata13]

no i am debating. im providing points. youre just spewing white anger. Why dont you try answering my simple question? is it that hard? pure ignorance i tell ya.

and no one is debating whether or not illegals should be coming over. its a question of how whites are using it as an excuse to undermine my rights. youre lost and hopeless.

stop being such a bigot and read the thread before you start spewing your latest glenn beck talking point. u have all the answers you need right under your nose but you need me to bring em to you? read!!!!

And from now on if you wanna ignore my questions, ill just ignore yours. youre WHOLE ARGUMENT falls apart with one word--BIOMETRICS!!!!!

[j2k4]

Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?

If I somehow draw attention to myself, that's what happens to me, so (now, here's the tricky part where you have to think) is there something special about you that you feel should render you immune to the pitfalls we all face?

Now it's your turn.

[l33tpirata13]

Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?

If I somehow draw attention to myself, that's what happens to me, so (now, here's the tricky part where you have to think) is there something special about you that you feel should render you immune to the pitfalls we all face?

Now it's your turn.

all my family is there. ive lived there periodically and am in the process of moving there as soon as summers over.

so by that logic. youre white, 99% of all serial killers are white, you by default look like a serial killer. lets just put you in a cop car every opportunity we can just to make sure youre not a serial killer. after all, theyre all white!!!! its not that far of a jump.

ANd YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED ANYTHING. YOU SEEM MORE LIKE A DANCING FAIRY!!!!! BIOMETICS!!! i dont even know why im arguing with you. youre kind of mindset will go down in history as one of the most delusional and furthest from reality. white hysteria is a sick phenomena. makes people do and say extremely stupid things.......

[l33tpirata13]

Okay, here's my answer to your question:

You believe what has grown out of the situation in Arizona is going to cause you in Chicago to be periodically detained in order to ascertain whether you are a bona fide
citizen of the United States.

So?

how the fuck is that an answer to my question? youre just being a douche. really.