Obama Administration to File Suit Over Arizona Immigration Law

[devilsadvocate]

I do wonder if sanity has left this country.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...#ixzz0sKnAF3r3

Barry Wong, a Republican candidate for the Arizona Corporation Commission, told The Arizona Republic on Tuesday that, if elected, he would require regulated utilities to check the immigration status of customers,

[l33tpirata13]

Yeah, thats political posturing at its finest. What those idiots dont realize is that our numbers are not really "represented" correctly. They go by the census, and, to be honest with you, i dont know many mexicans, or all latinos for that matter, that participated. There is a real negative stigma attached to giving the Government your Info for fear of political backlash.

I know for a fact that there are lot of organizations in AZ trying to sign up latinos to vote AS WE SPEAK. They all report that its actually going pretty well, although it did start off really really slow when all this began. The bolder AZ republicans get with their undeniably racist, bigoted proposals, the more latinos grow enough courage to vote.

[j2k4]

Y'know what is utterly fucking hilarious - when a conservative says what he means, and liberals have to interpret it for each other in the form of talking points, which tactic is further encumbered by it's pure and enduring (downright incestuous!) schmooze-fest with the major media...

You do realize the pure political value of the ability to construct phraseologies such as this, don't you?

[j2k4]

Yeah, thats political posturing at its finest. What those idiots dont realize is that our numbers are not really "represented" correctly. They go by the census, and, to be honest with you, i dont know many mexicans, or all latinos for that matter, that participated. There is a real negative stigma attached to giving the Government your Info for fear of political backlash.

I know for a fact that there are lot of organizations in AZ trying to sign up latinos to vote AS WE SPEAK. They all report that its actually going pretty well, although it did start off really really slow when all this began. The bolder AZ republicans get with their undeniably racist, bigoted proposals, the more latinos grow enough courage to vote...

...which is fine, as long as they can be counted on to vote for Socialist candidates and causes-

So, here's how it works:

The administration has a firm estimate/idea of how many people are in the country.

They set about with a census crew, and fix a favorable formula to calculate the numbers of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, who can be "counted on" to avoid official notice by the census-takers.

After the census is, um, deemed 'complete', the "absolutely undeniable" lack of proper representation of Latinos will in high-dudgeon be noted by the left-punditry, whereupon the magic "formula" will be brought to bear upon the census numbers in order to arrive at the democrats' new electoral "fudge-factor".

The voters required to fill whatever quota are provided by the "officially" defunct ACORN and it's progeny.

This stuff isn't difficult to figure out, you know.

[l33tpirata13]

Youre talking in terms of left and right. This isnt a left or right issue. Its a human rights issue. Get your mindset right. and for the record you speak in talking points. Sarah Palin comes to mind. Socialist, AcoRN, Liberal Media, blah blah blah.

oh, and i know what i know because my family lives there. The people that canvass say that it really gets em down when they SEE for themselves that WHITE Conservative Upper Middle Class Types Just Slam the doors in their faces and tell em to leave "THEIR" Country. Some really ignorant shit. They also start Ranting at them and start calling them ACORN and they arent. These canvassers are small groups organized in most part by the catholic church.

[j2k4]

Youre talking in terms of left and right. This isnt a left or right issue. Its a human rights issue. Get your mindset right. and for the record you speak in talking points.

And while you are calling it a human rights issue, it is moreover a common-sense issue.

There isn't enough ink in cyberspace to list the reasons this is true, but I'll give you a few:

No situation or condition or circumstance can justify a policy of non-documentation, no matter how it is constructed.

Does the process need to be streamlined?

Without a doubt.

Do Mexican immigrants and their spokes-cohort need to, at long last, acknowledge the facts, rather than scream racism/discrimination before-the-fact?

Yes, I think they do; the citizens of Arizona surely do, and anyone with a brain ought to agree.

Do these immigrants have any basis whatsoever for their possessive attitude over certain sections of certified United States geography?

No fucking way.

Hitler started a war with that attitude when he moved into the Sudetenland unbidden but fortified by the the idea he and Germany were entitled.

You wanna come in like you own the place?

The only choices should be to play by the rules (our rules, not yours) or everybody picks up their weapons.

History teaches this, and undeniably, too.

As to your last, I am speaking in talking points just now because I am speaking to you, in your language.

oh, and i know what i know because my family lives there. The people that canvass say that it really gets em down when they SEE for themselves that WHITE Conservative Upper Middle Class Types Just Slam the doors in their faces and tell em to leave "THEIR" Country. Some really ignorant shit. They also start Ranting at them and start calling them ACORN and they arent. They are small groups organized in most part by the catholic church.

Then let them be true to naught but their religious views, and vote accordingly.

Btw-

For what reasons are substantial numbers of Latinos engaged in canvassing activities?

Are they in charge of the census?

The people you refer to in your post, I mean - who are they working for?

[devilsadvocate]

Hitler started a war with that attitude when he moved into the Sudetenland unbidden but fortified by the the idea he and Germany were entitled.

You wanna come in like you own the place?

The only choices should be to play by the rules (our rules, not yours) or everybody picks up their weapons.

History teaches this, and undeniably, too.

Funny that you chose Hitler as your example when you could stay local and look at how the country was taken from the native Americans.

[clocker]

This stuff isn't difficult to figure out, you know.

Especially if you're a right wing conspiracy nut.

[l33tpirata13]

And while you are calling it a human rights issue, it is moreover a common-sense issue.

There isn't enough ink in cyberspace to list the reasons this is true, but I'll give you a few:

No situation or condition or circumstance can justify a policy of non-documentation, no matter how it is constructed.

Does the process need to be streamlined?

Without a doubt.

Do Mexican immigrants and their spokes-cohort need to, at long last, acknowledge the facts, rather than scream racism/discrimination before-the-fact?

Yes, I think they do; the citizens of Arizona surely do, and anyone with a brain ought to agree.

Do these immigrants have any basis whatsoever for their possessive attitude over certain sections of certified United States geography?

No fucking way.

Hitler started a war with that attitude when he moved into the Sudetenland unbidden but fortified by the the idea he and Germany were entitled.

You wanna come in like you own the place?

The only choices should be to play by the rules (our rules, not yours) or everybody picks up their weapons.

History teaches this, and undeniably, too.

As to your last, I am speaking in talking points just now because I am speaking to you, in your language.

oh, and i know what i know because my family lives there. The people that canvass say that it really gets em down when they SEE for themselves that WHITE Conservative Upper Middle Class Types Just Slam the doors in their faces and tell em to leave "THEIR" Country. Some really ignorant shit. They also start Ranting at them and start calling them ACORN and they arent. They are small groups organized in most part by the catholic church.

Then let them be true to naught but their religious views, and vote accordingly.

Btw-

For what reasons are substantial numbers of Latinos engaged in canvassing activities?

Are they in charge of the census?

The people you refer to in your post, I mean - who are they working for?

everything you said is so racist and easy to disassemble. its way too easy for me to go after. YOU WANNA pretend like you have some sort of right i dont. and thats bullshit. its mine as it is yours. i was born here. chicagoan. i dont owe you jack. ANd you dont own anything. This land is NOT yours, Which is exactly was i was talking about. Whites like you have this chip on their shoulder like they own something and because they say so, it goes. they are delusional. Do everyone a favor and read something thats not written by limbaugh or mental case glenn beck.

AND again you wanna pussyfoot around the fact that passing this retarded Act of Racial Purification wont do a damn thing. BEfore you go any further with your racist ranting, explain to me how, a citizen, like myself, will be better for showing papers. Again, taking in that i can get a birth certificate at a strip mall. If your not going to use biometrics, youre just being irrational. You WERE JUST TALKING TO ME LIKE IM TAKING "YOuR" LAND. what sense of entitlement you have. . I WAS BORN HERE!!!!! How ignorant does one have to be? You wanna start calling me SPIC and WETBACK too?

See what i mean? Already you start calling a Citizen, natural born, 2nd gen. an ILLEGAL and feel like youre entitled to more rights. can u Imagine once they start enforcing? Play by "OUR" rules? Who's that the KKK? Really who are you referring to when you say OUR? REally guy you wanna start picking up guns? Let me guess your watching nascar and drinking DrPepper straight out the 2liter right now?

Why are we canvassing? Why is the church involved? use your common sense. why do you think? the census is over and no one is getting paid. Everyone is a volunteer.

Take a look at the FACTS before you start spewing out HITLER's name. The only ones acting like NAZI's are the ones trying to pass this law. and the law outlawing ethic studies, and revoking the natural born rights given by the COnstitution. I wonder what mental loops one has to go through to overlook that. Did you not see the picture i posted up of the author of this thing with the NEO NAZI? or do i need to post it again?

[l33tpirata13]

There isn't enough ink in cyberspace to list the reasons this is true, but I'll give you a few:

Translation: I dont have many rational thoughts to substantiate anything i say, But ill try and give you some sort of reason.