Rip cn???

[Cabalo]

Reply to post #117: (damn, 3 posts while I typed this )

Funny I was going to mention that myself.
I think it was clear to most people that participated in the thread that you were understanding with him, and wouldn't take drastic actions. I'm not blaming you personally, I'm blaming the site or who did it. It wasn't clear on my post, but I was replying to ikiller, my bad.
It's normal that you stand by the owner's decision. I respect that.

But my thoughts are these: you (supervisor, I don't know which of them you are at CN, just curious) were trying to debate your points of view on a board known to have members who express their hostile views freely, where everyone stands on the same level and subject to harsh criticism, no matter if they staff here or at CN or at the Olympus, and your efforts to pass a more positive message about how you guys deal with your members were shot dead with this move.

I know you won't reinstate his account, because you can't (or shouldn't), I understand that perfectly. I wouldn't reenable a member if it was RealitY or tesco the ones who did it. But if I remember all the thread correctly, you never asked the staff to close/trash whatever the thread. This way we could have said no, and be the ones to take all the blame.
You also know that these donations problems are the issue of the moment on bt, generally speaking. It's the recession, no one runs away from it. And sooner or later this issue would have gotten here and become discussed. You were handling it well, but unfortunately for CN, you were the exception.

I don't expect you to reply to most of my points, but the way it ended up for champo101 doesn't look good on CN. This is the bare truth.

[Supervisor]

Reply to post #117: (damn, 3 posts while I typed this )

Funny I was going to mention that myself.
I think it was clear to most people that participated in the thread that you were understanding with him, and wouldn't take drastic actions. I'm not blaming you personally, I'm blaming the site or who did it. It wasn't clear on my post, but I was replying to ikiller, my bad.
It's normal that you stand by the owner's decision. I respect that.

But my thoughts are these: you (supervisor, I don't know which of them you are at CN, just curious) were trying to debate your points of view on a board known to have members who express their hostile views freely, where everyone stands on the same level and subject to harsh criticism, no matter if they staff here or at CN or at the Olympus, and your efforts to pass a more positive message about how you guys deal with your members were shot dead with this move.

I know you won't reinstate his account, because you can't (or shouldn't), I understand that perfectly. I wouldn't reenable a member if it was RealitY or tesco the ones who did it. But if I remember all the thread correctly, you never asked the staff to close/trash whatever the thread. This way we could have said no, and be the ones to take all the blame.
You also know that these donations problems are the issue of the moment on bt, generally speaking. It's the recession, no one runs away from it. And sooner or later this issue would have gotten here and become discussed. You were handling it well, but unfortunately for CN, you were the exception.

I don't expect you to reply to most of my points, but the way it ended up for champo101 doesn't look good on CN. This is the bare truth.

I told him I didn't want it to end up like this, in part it is his fault, because he broke a simple rule. He could have brought up CN in the other thread about all this donations theme thats going on, you guys would have discussed it there, probably less bashing would even have occurred but he had to create a new thread only about us. And in part it is not as he didn't know the thread would lead to insults, doesn't matter to me whether it's one or twenty and it certainly doesn't matter to our owner, who works his ass off to keep that site up and running and doesn't deserve to be called liar.

I have also told champo101 that it could be worked out. Not sure what he did but while the path this thread took is not entirely his fault, he is certainly no angel in all this small story either.

[Syntax Error]

Reply to post #117: (damn, 3 posts while I typed this )

Funny I was going to mention that myself.
I think it was clear to most people that participated in the thread that you were understanding with him, and wouldn't take drastic actions. I'm not blaming you personally, I'm blaming the site or who did it. It wasn't clear on my post, but I was replying to ikiller, my bad.
It's normal that you stand by the owner's decision. I respect that.

But my thoughts are these: you (supervisor, I don't know which of them you are at CN, just curious) were trying to debate your points of view on a board known to have members who express their hostile views freely, where everyone stands on the same level and subject to harsh criticism, no matter if they staff here or at CN or at the Olympus, and your efforts to pass a more positive message about how you guys deal with your members were shot dead with this move.

I know you won't reinstate his account, because you can't (or shouldn't), I understand that perfectly. I wouldn't reenable a member if it was RealitY or tesco the ones who did it. But if I remember all the thread correctly, you never asked the staff to close/trash whatever the thread. This way we could have said no, and be the ones to take all the blame.
You also know that these donations problems are the issue of the moment on bt, generally speaking. It's the recession, no one runs away from it. And sooner or later this issue would have gotten here and become discussed. You were handling it well, but unfortunately for CN, you were the exception.

I don't expect you to reply to most of my points, but the way it ended up for champo101 doesn't look good on CN. This is the bare truth.

Why don't you ask champo101 to reply to your post, However, the guy was enabled about 10 hours ago anyway .

I was in a hurry because I have a real busy life and I didn't even get the chance to tell supervisor about enabling champo101 .

I only banned him when I first saw the thread, but 10 minutes later I got an explanation from a person who you really hate from our staff members and I came here to contact the guy then I enabled him as he explained that he wasn't sure about leaking CN news outside the site being against the rules because he is used to do it with his other sites.
I asked him to remove the news item, my name from the 1st post and re-read the rules. He agreed and so I enabled him.

And before the smart-asses start building theories, he wasn't an ass kisser.

But hey, feel free to blame me for anything you want.

Anyway, I am not much of a drama talker, I do my job and that's all about it, there will always be haters and lovers, I understand this fact.

but seriously what you are doing here is wasting your personal time, I bet you spent the last day just on this thread building theories, blaming CN and the staff members.
Name one good thing you came out with from this thread.

As for the person who was asking me why I am here while I don't care about the thread, I was just here to contact the guy who I banned to clear things with him.
And now I am here again just to clear champo101's situation for people who are interested in it for a mystery reason.

I just want you to take an overall look @ the thread, most of haters are fst staff members, the fact is true sound just insulted about 1500 members calling them dumpfucks in the first page just because they spend their time on something he doesn't like or doesn't know how to use, do you think this was a wise decision from him ?
Or you guys just play the blind part on others mistakes and wait for your first moment to ride your horse and bash CN like we will be responsible for the end of the world!

Btw, Cabalo, I don't want to check this thread anymore, however, If you have a question pm me with it or email me, otherwise I am pretty sure I will miss it and you will have one more reason to blame me for and probably more funny theories.

[Champo101]

I'm with iKiller now. I made a dumb mistake and tbh if I was the staff members involved in this, (but there was no closing or locking of threads or any of that argument) I would have banned the guy who did it too and I would not of re-enabled him. You broke a rule in the "Breaking these rules can and will get you banned" section, and you have been banned. End of story. I'm happy iKiller handled it this way and gave me a chance to explain myself and to re-enable me. I don't care what any of you think. Supervisor helped too. That's what I think. Think what you want.

[Quarterquack]

Name one good thing you came out with from this thread.

I came out with a better understanding of how CN staff decide to ban individuals because they prioritize a(n) (irrational) rule breaking offense over the understanding of a sincere member's situation. As soon as Champo was banned I pm'ed him to get a better understanding of the proceedings (an ability 99% of your entire staff apparently lack) and he was extremely pissed off. Way to actually care for your members as a family.

By the way, if your life is unbearably busy to the point of not being able to reason with a situation fully before acting upon retarded impulses, you shouldn't be running a tracker.
In the words of Mr. Pink: "The words 'Too fucking busy', shouldn't be in a [staffer's] dictionary."

EDIT: Champo, there's really no need to bend over backwards. CN staff insist they're not an elitist site, but then they go ahead and behave this way to what is clearly a nice/reasonable person, based on an elitist rule. Sugarcoat it anyway you want to, but let's call spades, spades.

EDIT2: Supervisor, you said if this were any other tracker, this entire flame-fest/ordeal/argument/bashing wouldn't have gone down. Name me one other tracker that would have behaved similarly in this situation, and you'll have a better understanding of why there's a lot of hate.

[Champo101]

Name one good thing you came out with from this thread.

I came out with a better understanding of how CN staff decide to ban individuals because they prioritize a(n) (irrational) rule breaking offense over the understanding of a sincere member's situation. As soon as Champo was banned I pm'ed him to get a better understanding of the proceedings (an ability 99% of your entire staff apparently lack) and he was extremely pissed off. Way to actually care for your members as a family.

By the way, if your life is unbearably busy to the point of not being able to reason with a situation fully before acting upon retarded impulses, you shouldn't be running a tracker.
In the words of Mr. Pink: "The words [i]'Too fucking busy'[i], shouldn't be in a [staffer's] dictionary."

I was nothing more than pissed. I then proceeded to get PMed by Supervisor and iKiller which would end up solving the problem.

EDIT: lol every post i make seems to have an edit... Anyways most of my frustration was at TheDog for asking me to harass the mods to close the thread. I only PMed Rart and Cabalo to clear that up. Whatever. They can deal with situations whatever way they please. I probably won't be talking to staff or be in forums/irc much anymore after all this. Another point of frustration was the fact that this mod did not seem to have an understanding of this forum or anything about it. Once again, in the past already in my books. I don't care.

[senegal]

i want invite, damn it!

[Rart]

most of haters are fst staff members

Maybe that's cause we're actually not afraid to post whatever the hell we think

I have never had any sort of conflict or personal involvement with the staff at CN, but I still clearly see why so much crap is being tossed around from an outsiders perspective. Maybe it's the fact that your staff love to phish IPs and hunt traders here while continually posting at FST as if they were the victims. Maybe it's the fact that while Supervisor was trying to glance off this thread as if it was nothing, behind the scenes your staff was constantly pressuring Champo101 and ultimately banned him for a simple thread.

I do have to admit however, that the unbanning of Champo101 was a step in the right direction. Thanks for that.

However, the most important aspect of running a tracker that the staff at CN simply don't seem to get, was most aptly put by Funkin:

It's this type of attitude that I saw from the majority of the staff there(is bumrocks seriously the only grown up on the staff team?) that made me want to close my account. If all the criticism about Cosa Nostra coming from a bunch of people that you don't even know is getting to you so much that you have to start acting like a little bitch, then I suggest you stop reading this thread. Because as long as it's open, you're going to get more and more of it.

As the staff quite an (in)famous tracker, you have to realize, that no matter what you do, and no matter how hard you try, there will always be dissenters, people unhappy with the latest ban they got, or how you run your site. However, how you handle that criticism is truly the most important mark of how competent your staff is. You simply cannot let the everyday criticism that is bound to appear, get under your skin and cloud your better judgement.

Just look at What.CD. The massive stream of "unfair this, unfair that, wahhh, yadda yadda" threads that we get easily outnumber the amount of threads with regards to CN by 10:1, at least. Contrary to what vindicative members such as TVCY may say, I have never seen those thread handled with anything but the utmost professionalism from the staff when they have posted. They have never even come close to escalating into such a level experienced by this thread. Perhaps you guys should takes some notes.

[babab007]

OHHH K I will do that soon. I'm lazy right now.

when i read that, i really thought you deserved to be banned.
Sadly, i still think the same. I dont know why an exception has been made in your case, but if one cant respect a tracker's rules one shouldnt be part of it. No one forced you to join it.

@ringhunter
If someone is that unhappy with any XYZ tracker or its "rulez"
go ahead open your own and edit the rules to your desired choice, you'll get the required support if you really speak for the majority of the public's opinion.

lol, some people either cant digest someone's success OR just hate em too much and wish em dead.

[Quarterquack]

@ringhunter
If someone is that unhappy with any XYZ tracker or its "rulez"
go ahead open your own and edit the rules to your desired choice, you'll get the required support if you really speak for the majority of the public's opinion.

lol, some people either cant digest someone's success OR just hate em too much and wish em dead.

Neither. I have always been a fan of CN, read all my posts if you want to. I've supported them uptil this point.

Banning a member for a healthy off-tracker discussion is as low as it gets. I stand by what I said, name me one other tracker that would have done the same. FTN/FSC/ScT/SCC/GFT/TS have all been dragged through the same ordeal on these very forums. I'm yet to see such drastic measures taken against any of their members involved in any of their respective threads.

There's a distinct difference between asking members to adhere to reasonable rules, and banning a member for a ridiculous one, even after they did everything within their willful power to succumb to the staffers' expressed dismay.

You can make me out to be rude/foul-mouthed, but you absolutely have no basis for saying I'm jealous of success or want to see CN dead, as leading up to this thread, I've said nothing but good stuff about the tracker, even when all others about had quite differing opinions to express.