Rip cn???

[th0r]

i wish i was a member of a torrent tracker that i would actually want to donate my hard-earned riches to, too bad typophile doesn't have torrents

[Quarterquack]

i wish i was a member of a torrent tracker that i would actually want to donate my hard-earned riches to, too bad typophile doesn't have torrents

Have you considered the possibility that the problem lies not in the irreparable quality woes of trackers, but in the inseparable aspect of the relationship you share with your money?

[ExtraDry]

To be honest, it's really sad to see all the effort we spent here disparaging because of low funds.

I could say something disparaging about the choice of words but I won't.

Also enough of these "look what is happening on x site " threads .They only have relevance to people already on those sites and therefore unless there are larger issues involved like a crooked staff or something should probably be discussed exclusively there .
I mean this way all you get is either trolls looking to randomly bad mouth anything or anyone or actual members apparently too gutless to say what they truly think hopefully to some positive effect where it should be said on the actual site .

One thing it does point out is this will likely to become the norm with sites begging for donations.Just way to many sites out there to compete with specially 0day racers.

[stoi]

This probably deserves its own thread but just going to reply to ExtraDry.

The one overiding factor that ppl seem to miss is, 90% of the members on trackers (and just do P2P/downloading) are either tight with their money, or skint. (if they were not they wouldnt do it in the first place).

and 90% of those would probably rather go to the cinemas once a week/month, buy a game, buy a DVD/Album etc than donate to a tracker.

There is also the fact that a lot of members have a few trackers, so its which one to donate to, and usually (not 100%) its the one that has the best deal for them.

So it pretty much goes without saying, a tracker with global ratio, banned at 0.4 ratio, but donate $25 and get 350 gig upload bonus, will get a lot more takers than a ratio free tracker where all they get is a star. even if they both have the same members exactly.

There probably is oversatuation as well of trackers, but if there were 20,000 trackers, if all had unique members, all 20,000 could survive, the problem is, probably 80-90% have other trackers, so it goes straight back to my point above.

Lets say i was looking from the outside, i never owned a tracker, i would look at BCGs and think, 34,000 members, they must be making a killing, but the truth is, last month we had 141 donors, and a lot of those were for £1 donations, that is less than 0.5% of our memberbase that donate, yes it probably is because we are virtually ratio free and even I admit, the bonuses you get are not fantastic, but without going back to a P2L Global ratio only site, what can we do, we cant force members to donate, and i wouldnt want to go down that route anyway, we have never accepted cash for an account, we have never once gave an invite for someone making a donation, and we wont start doing either of those any time soon either. (I have never once sent a begging PM either).

anyway to cut a long story short, i can see why a lot of trackers are struggling, its just the nature of the beast.

PS: btw Truesounds, if you owned a tracker, and wanted to keep it alive, how much would you pay per month out of your own pocket to keep it alive and kicking? just curious.

[1000possibleclaws]

PS: btw Truesounds, if you owned a tracker, and wanted to keep it alive, how much would you pay per month out of your own pocket to keep it alive and kicking? just curious.

I'd never want to deal with the shit of owning one, does not interest me in the slightest.

Hypothetically, if I ran one I'd make it p2l like SCT once it becomes 'l33t', and then hope to eventually make a steady income by selling upload and designing ranks to encourage ratiowhores that will take the brunt of the damage to the ratio economy from the p2l scheme. But as you said, the market is oversaturated, there's no sense in starting or running a tracker these days, you'd never get to the point of making profits. That, and the climate seems to be changing. Canada's looking like they will clamp down soon, it's seems its time to get outta this game, not dive into it. But yeah, I'm not the kind of person to run some charity, or do it for the power associations of the job either. But I guess that's why you staff a successful tracker and I never will

[stoi]

So the answer to my question is a big fat 0 then lol or as little as you could get away with and the closer to 0 the better.

Like i said its the nature of the beast, its not a business, as we dont sell anything, we cant borrow on it (loans/mortages etc) we cant even say we do it as a hobby on job applications, to get a better job to pay for it ourselves if the shit hit the fan lol

I can tell you now though "IF" donations dried up for us, then we would have to close, no way can i afford what this costs a month, and even if i could afford it, I still wouldnt pay it, why should I pay a fortune for others enjoyment, and if no one donates, then they are not enjoying it that much, so probably wont be missed if we do close.

[1000possibleclaws]

Well the answer is I'm not dumb enough to run or start a tracker I can't afford, which would be the answer from every other sane owner.

I will donate to trackers that others run, but only if it's irreplaceable to me. There is only one, maybe two trackers I do donate to, because you can get warez everywhere and my tastes aren't really niche or anything. You're right, I'd rather go out and catch a movie in a theater and let other people pay for my movie trackers. If they die I'll just switch to demonoid, no big deal! I doubt they will all die anyways, it's just economics that the worst ones sometimes will.

[stoi]

lol there is such a thing as growing you know, or becoming unemployed, even bloody recessions are a killer.

I just took offence at the dumb enough statement, I doubt many/any tracker owners can run them from their own pocket, not the succsesful ones anyway (bigger ones). We dont all run on a £20 a month kimi you know. and most of us dont have ads and millions of visitors a day to make a profit off (demonoid et all) pisses me off when TPB/Demonoid are seen as brighter than white and not making any cash, when they make more in a month than 99% of private tracker owners see in 10 years. ( i know you didnt say that, it just pisses me off lol).

PS: If we could afford to run them ourselves, we would not have a donation button to start with.

[1000possibleclaws]

TPB/Demonoid are seen as brighter than white and not making any cash, when they make more in a month than 99% of private tracker owners see in 10 years. ( i know you didnt say that, it just pisses me off lol).

You've got such a great content and seeder base, I'd bet you could make a killing if you threw all your ethics out the window and ran the tracker like a business. Not something that is necessarily out of reach for you, but I'm not sure the risks that come with that change are worth it

[stoi]

I still couldnt make as much as those. I worked it out last year but lost the thread now on our forums, someone said that we make more cash than TPB because we accept donations, and they dont, I nearly fell off my chair.

When i had ads for 1 month, I believe it was $0.03cents per unique view, which doesnt sound a lot, but if you have a website with 1mil unique views a day (and porn ads were more) it soon adds up to quite a tidy sum.

And its not just about ethincs, its about fairness to all the members, and to nulify the cheats as well.

Why should someone be able to pay whatever it is a month, to just keep hit and running month after month, and "buy" ratio to get out of low ratio, when someone that cant pay for whatever reason either gets banned, or has to seed forever, or even worse, partial seed.

Its just to make the tracker fairer for everyone, we all have asymetric ISPs, well unless you use a seedbox anyway.

anyway going to bed, been up all night, and we have hijacked this thread somewhat.