Did You Know There's An OpenSource Alternative Client?

**Polarbear** · 07-12-2010, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by DasFox

Vuze (formerly Azureus) is not complete 100% open-source it is only partial.

The client software is open source. The Vuze platform crap can be simply turned off. If you use Vuze in classic mode you have a 100% open source software.

**ca_aok** · 07-12-2010, 12:55 AM

To be fair, they tell you they turn everything off. As it's partially closed source, it's up to you to believe it.

Personally, I prefer rtorrent, which is one of the options you seemed to miss (though I have heard good things about Deluge).

**Polarbear** · 07-12-2010, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by ca_aok

To be fair, they tell you they turn everything off.

Oh dear, do you think sourceforge lists software that only pretends to be open source? You can download the source code there. Azureus is licenced under GPL - period.

The Vuze platform hence the webpage has nothing to do with the Azureus client.

**Detale** · 07-12-2010, 01:32 AM

Honestly though, I think this is a bit much. I get it, the big bad companies are out to get us. The truth of it all is simple, if "they" want to get, you they WILL get you. All the security in the world really doesn't help much if you pop up on the radar. We play the odds really. odds are they won't get us. I read somewhere that the odds of getting caught downloading illegal stuff is about half of that when getting struck by lightning. So the odds are in our favor but hey any one of us could get caught.

Sure open source is great, I'm all for it. But for the average user who knows fuck all about code (including myself) how the hell should we know what we are looking at and if it's secure or not? As I said nothing is 100% secure I mean look at that russian kid who broke cell phone encryption in like 15 min. You want to know what is 100% secure.... Don't download illegal content, thats safe

**GCI** · 07-12-2010, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Detale

Sure open source is great, I'm all for it. But for the average user who knows fuck all about code (including myself) how the hell should we know what we are looking at and if it's secure or not? As I said nothing is 100% secure I mean look at that russian kid who broke cell phone encryption in like 15 min. You want to know what is 100% secure.... Don't download illegal content, thats safe

I was about to make that point

Some of us don't know jack about source code, or how to interpret it. That would then mean we'd have to rely on the "word" of others, which would pretty much defeat the purpose of going OS in the first place.

And why would the big bad companies use so many resources to get the peers? They should be (and are) going after the people who release the stuff, if they want to spend their resources appropriately. But as the saying goes, fly under the radar.

And security? The safest computer is one that doesn't work

**ca_aok** · 07-12-2010, 01:58 AM

The general idea behind open source in these matters is that if someone puts harmful code in the program, a user that actually has the talent will make it known.

Personally I think it's a load of bollocks and a bit counter-intuitive to the business model of each respective company to start prosecuting their customers, but hey... common sense has never been the strong suit of many in the bt world.

**GCI** · 07-12-2010, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by ca_aok

Personally I think it's a load of bollocks and a bit counter-intuitive to the business model of each respective company to start prosecuting their customers, but hey... common sense has never been the strong suit of many in the bt world.

Has there actually been a case like that? I've heard rumors. But only rumors.

**DasFox** · 07-12-2010, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Polarbear

Originally Posted by DasFox

Vuze (formerly Azureus) is not complete 100% open-source it is only partial.

The client software is open source. The Vuze platform crap can be simply turned off. If you use Vuze in classic mode you have a 100% open source software.

My understanding is the core is GPL and the platform is proprietary.

It's my further understanding that to install Vuze you have to install the core and platform, but as you mention you can turn the platform off. Well just because you turn something off doesn't mean that license changes, you're still installing proprietary software in your system.

Now can you install Vuze without the platform, if you can, then we're now talking about something.

What I'm talking about is 100% open-source, not a combination of with proprietary crap.

By the way you keep going on about Azureus, it's no longer Azureus, it's called ---> VUZE.

Look at their website:

-----> Azureus - now called Vuze - Bittorrent Client

Originally Posted by ca_aok

To be fair, they tell you they turn everything off. As it's partially closed source, it's up to you to believe it.

Personally, I prefer rtorrent, which is one of the options you seemed to miss (though I have heard good things about Deluge).

Well I didn't come out and say it, I just made it a Windows post for Windows GUI clients mainly, even though I use Linux, LOL...

In the Windows world you aren't going to find to many users, using a text based client, it's typically GUI in the Windows world, that's why I didn't mention rtorrent. If we were talking Linux that would be one to add.

Heck I'm even a Slack user, running only OpenBox, but I'll take a nice small GUI app over text for torrents.

Originally Posted by Detale

Honestly though, I think this is a bit much. I get it, the big bad companies are out to get us. The truth of it all is simple, if "they" want to get, you they WILL get you. All the security in the world really doesn't help much if you pop up on the radar. We play the odds really. odds are they won't get us. I read somewhere that the odds of getting caught downloading illegal stuff is about half of that when getting struck by lightning. So the odds are in our favor but hey any one of us could get caught.

Sure open source is great, I'm all for it. But for the average user who knows fuck all about code (including myself) how the hell should we know what we are looking at and if it's secure or not? As I said nothing is 100% secure I mean look at that russian kid who broke cell phone encryption in like 15 min. You want to know what is 100% secure.... Don't download illegal content, thats safe

You're missing the point! ---> DON'T STAND OUT IN THE OPEN SO MUCH!

Don't be such sheep running out in the open using everything that everyone typically uses thinking you are safe.

You don't need to know what the heck open-source is and the code, because typically in most open-source projects there are going to be a lot of people who know the code. Now you could argue, well that gets down to who I trust, so what I'll say is don't be ridiculous and I don't mean to be rude, but no one in their right mind is going to put an exploit in open-source software and peddle it.

Originally Posted by GCI

Originally Posted by Detale

Sure open source is great, I'm all for it. But for the average user who knows fuck all about code (including myself) how the hell should we know what we are looking at and if it's secure or not? As I said nothing is 100% secure I mean look at that russian kid who broke cell phone encryption in like 15 min. You want to know what is 100% secure.... Don't download illegal content, thats safe

I was about to make that point

Some of us don't know jack about source code, or how to interpret it. That would then mean we'd have to rely on the "word" of others, which would pretty much defeat the purpose of going OS in the first place.

And why would the big bad companies use so many resources to get the peers? They should be (and are) going after the people who release the stuff, if they want to spend their resources appropriately. But as the saying goes, fly under the radar.

And security? The safest computer is one that doesn't work

Read what I said above to Detale, it's foolish to think someone is going to release open code to a community and have a security breach in it that affects your safety, it's never going to happen and if it does the open-source community will find it in a FLASH!