Is invite trading really that bad?

[anon]

all traders should be banned . .

All FST trolls with 100+ accounts should be banned, also.

[A]

Thanks for quoting an article that proves I was right and you were wrong, I appreciate it. Then you proceed to try and argue your failure of a point after the proof is quoted directly above. Just because you "feel" something is theft, doesn't make it so, whether in the eyes of the law or the general public.

Just like your Moral BS,is it?Not everything can be perfectly explained in a clear black and white statement.Or do you think everything is as straightforward and can be put down and explained to the very minute of details?

And I have no idea what you're blabbering about with your RIAA style trolling, but there's never been any proof that a download is a lost sale.

Good job on reading what I wrote.

Every download is equal to a lost sale is bullshit.

Then again,you were not going to read or gonna listen.Not surprised.

And about that picture,I replied it in #62

The famous argument "Copying files is not theft" is horseshit really and everyone knows it as well.People are comparing two different systems on the same level.In real world copying may not be a big deal because there is no loss to the creator but when a digital file gets copied,it deprives the creators the money they deserve for the work they did.They are not "working" for free now are they?

Suppose if in the real world as well,If people had the means of replicating the exact copies of Books or the products they buy in large scale,what would have been the state?

We get it. You're a badass software pirate who's breaking all the rules and couldn't give a shit about it. No one cares.

And you are someone who uses petty excuses to make yourself believe what you are doing is correct and also accepts you are breaking rules and at the same time throws tantrums about Morality at others.Another hypocrite(?)

[ca_aok]

Just like your Moral BS,is it?Not everything can be perfectly explained in a clear black and white statement.Or do you think everything is as straightforward and can be put down and explained to the very minute of details?

Oh, the world is not black and white eh? We'll come back to this at the end of what will be my last reply to your tired logic.

Then again,you were not going to read or gonna listen.Not surprised.

Actually I did read it, it's merely incorrect. You "claim" that you believe that every download isn't a lost sale, and then you contradict yourself immediately afterward by trying to tell me that creators are somehow losing money from these copies.

The famous argument "Copying files is not theft" is horseshit really and everyone knows it as well.People are comparing two different systems on the same level.In real world copying may not be a big deal because there is no loss to the creator but when a digital file gets copied,it deprives the creators the money they deserve for the work they did.They are not "working" for free now are they? Suppose if in the real world as well,If people had the means of replicating the exact copies of Books or the products they buy in large scale,what would have been the state?

Umm... "Everyone really knows it is" is not a valid argument to back up your failure of a claim. And actually, we're comparing systems on two different levels, not the least of which is criminal v.s. civil. Oh and pro tip: It's called photocopiers, and libraries. Or using a different example, the radio. Or antenna TV. Or tape recordings. Society didn't fall apart due to any of those, despite bleating from the media corporations.

And you are someone who uses petty excuses to make yourself believe what you are doing is correct and also accepts you are breaking rules and at the same time throws tantrums about Morality at others.

I never said I was correct, I corrected your idiocy. There's a difference.

So to wrap things up, you prefaced your post with "the world is not black and white". Well neither is filesharing. Your terrible argument of "you're breaking one rule, therefore fuck all other rules" is ridiculous. I fully expect you to go out there and start murdering, raping, and pillaging since hey, you're "stealing", so saying we should follow any other rules is of course stupid!

Furthermore, the shades of gray in filesharing is exactly where morality comes into play. If you accepted the logic that just because you pirate, you can't just ignore every other rule on the planet, then perhaps you'd realize that pissing off the people who put themselves at risk so that you can pirate is immoral and childish. "Honour among thieves" is a misused term that's often thrown around, but it's got a ring of truth to it as well. If you don't want to play nicely, no one's forcing you to use private BT sites, and indeed, eventually you'll be forcefully ejected. And we won't miss you. If you want to just consume consume consume, I suggest a usenet subscription.

Enjoy being an e-thug.

[pone44]

Why does this always turn into a morality debate? Ffs, Pirating is not a MAJOR crime,maybe a big fine(at least where i am from). Does anyone think these artists/movie studios do not make their money,even if the product sucks.?

[A]

Actually I did read it, it's merely incorrect. You "claim" that you believe that every download isn't a lost sale, and then you contradict yourself immediately afterward by trying to tell me that creators are somehow losing money from these copies.

Yes every download is not a sale.If people had to buy every Music CD/Movie DVD out there,many just wont buy at all and just buy the stuff they are interested in buying.But that dosent give you the license to go around making copies now does it?

Oh and pro tip: It's called photocopiers, and libraries. Or using a different example, the radio. Or antenna TV. Or tape recordings. Society didn't fall apart due to any of those, despite bleating from the media corporations.

oh and protip,you missed the word "large scale" in my reply.It makes a helleva lot of difference you know.and oh gawd having an exact copy of CD/DVD with you is the same as listening to or watching radio or TV?If you want I can give you the differences between the two.

Your terrible argument of "you're breaking one rule, therefore fuck all other rules" is ridiculous.

Incorrect.I dint say just because you are breaking one rule,fuck all other rules.This discussion was never ever about rules now,was it?It was about morality.You seem to have a twisted sense of morality when you feel OK to break law and then apply moral principles on the RULES BUILT ON the SAME immoral system.

Furthermore, the shades of gray in filesharing is exactly where morality comes into play. If you accepted the logic that just because you pirate, you can't just ignore every other rule on the planet, then perhaps you'd realize that pissing off the people who put themselves at risk so that you can pirate is immoral and childish. "Honour among thieves" is a misused term that's often thrown around, but it's got a ring of truth to it as well.

I lol'd when you said "that pissing off the people who put themselves at risk so that you can pirate is immoral and childish".aaah oh well..lemme ask you something.The people who risk their lifes just so that normal lowly humans like me can download files are doing it voluntarily right?Is anyone pressuring them to do what they do?And what type of risk are you talking about?who are the ones getting copyright infringement letters,Members who expose their IPs while downloading or the Mods/Admins who are well secured by employing different kinds of security and privacy measures to hide themselves?

If you don't want to play nicely, no one's forcing you to use private BT sites

I wont break the rules but at the same time I know throwing moral crap is baseless and stupid as well.

and indeed, eventually you'll be forcefully ejected.

I dont see myself getting ejected until i decide to do so myself.

If you want to just consume consume consume, I suggest a usenet subscription.

Usenet and DDL communities are another way to share the files where PEOPLE SHARE FILES.What makes you think Usenet is all about "consume consume consume",because people dont have to put their PC online 24*7 and keep on seeding?Is that what you call giving back to the community?

[1000possibleclaws]

Thanks for totally hijacking my thread guys

(to be honest I don't mind this angsty turn of events one bit )

[pone44]

I scratched my 'best of Michal Bolton' CD. Why can't i just download it or is it morally correct to go buy another copy?

Yes every download is not a sale.If people had to buy every Music CD/Movie DVD out there,many just wont buy at all and just buy the stuff they are interested in buying.But that dosent give you the license to go around making copies now does it?

[ca_aok]

Thanks for totally hijacking my thread guys

(to be honest I don't mind this angsty turn of events one bit )

Unfortunately I'm done with our little buddy who loves contradicting his own arguments in each new reply

I scratched my 'best of Michal Bolton' CD. Why can't i just download it or is it morally correct to go buy another copy?

Depending on your country's law, that's actually legal. But of course, you're actually a thief for doing so. You should've clearly bought a backup copy at the time.

[A]

I scratched my 'best of Michal Bolton' CD. Why can't i just download it or is it morally correct to go buy another copy?

Yes every download is not a sale.If people had to buy every Music CD/Movie DVD out there,many just wont buy at all and just buy the stuff they are interested in buying.But that dosent give you the license to go around making copies now does it?

I scratched and destroyed my LCD monitor and is on the way to break in and take another LCD monitor from the vendors shop.And oh by the way if you have been reading this thread its not me who has moral conflicts here.You can do what you want just like me.

Unfortunately I'm done with our little buddy who loves contradicting his own arguments in each new reply

yea more like since you cant pull the moral card anymore,you dont have anything else to say except mock around to get some kick out of it.pathetic.
And since most of the stuff is as you mentioned is in "shades of gray".It is easy to dodge by saying one statement is contradicting the other when I have given explanation for each argument I have made.
Anyway I am off to sleep,its 1:17am here.GN

[stoi]

If you pirate you are breaking the law, whether that is civil or criminal prosecution, you are still breaking it. (actually cracking protection/being the very 1st uploader/source is criminal, downloading/uploading is civil)

trading/cheating, you are breaking a poxy tracker rule, there is no law involved at all, its what the staff think is best for their tracker, some trackers dont care about either, others do, but its still just a poxy rule, if you get caught you get banned, just deal with it.

but i still cant see just because the tracker hosts copywrite material, gives members the right, to break the tracker rules that the copywrite material is on (actually the tracker doesnt even host the stuff, the members do), never ever understood that one i am afraid.

all it is for is the good of the tracker, what if every member cheated, or hit and run, or limited their upload, the cheaters would be the first to complain that the tracker is shit, when its them that is making it shit, if everyone traded invites/accounts, everyone would be hiding away, no one would take part, no one would upload, and again the traders would be complaining that the tracker is shit.

then when we ban the above, they lie and say they done nothing wrong on other forums, shit is easy to throw, its a lot harder to wash off and get the smell away.

we are damned if we do and we are damned if we dont.