Undocumented immigration in border states

[elbuitre]

sure! but , he was saying he wants a dmz along the mexican border, that would require to remove all people, not just illegal aliens

[l33tpirata13]

There are millions of people living in towns that are in the border.

Truman, Hoover and Eisenhower did it to create jobs for the troops coming home. Does 'Wetback' ring any bells from your history lessons?

http://www.wtxpatriots.org/joomla/in...tation-history

I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.

[megabyteme]

I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.

I always find it amazing how much immigrants have done/tolerated in order to become "Americans". I use the quotes out of sad necessity. Even those who did everything (some were given legal status) still exist(ed) in a climate that refuses to recognize them as equals.

[megabyteme]

BTW, anyone who feels the need to delete posts like the above, has already lost the debate. It has happened WAY too many times lately. Quit being a coward.

[bigboab]

Truman, Hoover and Eisenhower did it to create jobs for the troops coming home. Does 'Wetback' ring any bells from your history lessons?

http://www.wtxpatriots.org/joomla/in...tation-history

I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.

There was no offence meant. I was under the impression that a Wetback was someone who had swum across the Rio Grande in order to enter the U.S.A. illegally. Your Grandad was invited into the U.S.A. So the term Wetback could no way be referring to him.

megabyte
I always find it amazing how much immigrants have done/tolerated in order to become "Americans". I use the quotes out of sad necessity. Even those who did everything (some were given legal status) still exist(ed) in a climate that refuses to recognize them as equals.

This is a two way street. The vast majority of first, second, and sometimes third generation immigrants still regard 'the mother country' as their home and not their adopted country. Go into most cities in the world and there will be ethnic areas, some of them 'no go' areas to the native population.

[l33tpirata13]

There was no offence meant. I was under the impression that a Wetback was someone who had swum across the Rio Grande in order to enter the U.S.A. illegally. Your Grandad was invited into the U.S.A. So the term Wetback could no way be referring to him.

I'll take you at your word. Just keep in mind, when quoting anything, always look at the source. Mojado was what they called him after they did't want him here anymore. When they were in need of ranchers, they were called Braceros, as in "Arms".

[Skiz]

Truman, Hoover and Eisenhower did it to create jobs for the troops coming home. Does 'Wetback' ring any bells from your history lessons?

http://www.wtxpatriots.org/joomla/in...tation-history

I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.

If you had read the link that boab placed in the same post, you would have known it was a historical reference, and in no way a slur.

[Skiz]

BTW, anyone who feels the need to delete posts like the above, has already lost the debate. It has happened WAY too many times lately. Quit being a coward.

The only content that has been deleted in this thread has been off topic posts, and that was only after warnings were ignored. Nothing is ever removed in this section or the rest of the board for that matter because a mod doesn't agree with the content. Ever.

If you take issue with the way things are done, make a report thread or PM the mod/admin; don't throw out fallacious accusations in this thread. It is again, off topic.

[l33tpirata13]

Historical reference? Oh yeah, now you're calling my great-grandfather a liar? Oh no, you know you're right because you lived through it and you know everything, right? Cuz, he had reason to lie to me. Stop defending the use of that word!!! I don't care who you are. That word is exactly the same as the N word. Just like i can't say white derogatory terms. If you want to defend that, it's on you. I'm sure you can find more than a couple history books from the 30's and 40's that refer to African Americans as the "N" word. Are you going to quote them too?

[Skiz]

Historical reference? Oh yeah, now you're calling my great-grandfather a liar? Oh no, you know you're right because you lived through it and you know everything, right? Cuz, he had reason to lie to me. Stop defending the use of that word!!! I don't care who you are. That word is exactly the same as the N word. Just like i can't say white derogatory terms. If you want to defend that, it's on you. I'm sure you can find more than a couple history books from the 30's and 40's that refer to African Americans as the "N" word. Are you going to quote them too?

If you're unable to have grown-up discussions, you probably shouldn't post in this section.

"Operation Wetback was a repatriation project of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service to remove illegal Mexican immigrants ("wetbacks") from the Southwest."

In this context, it does have a historical value. How can you not not see that?

It has nothing to do with your grandfather or anyone else.

Should we destroy all copies of 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' because it has the word "nigger" in it? Of course not.

@boab - That was a good link to some good information. I'm waiting on J2's response to that as he's more in touch with the legal parameters I believe from then to now.