Undocumented immigration in border states

[j2k4]

The increase in the size of the border patrol is of no consequence when they are hampered by practical policy, and in any case the increase has not kept pace with border traffic nor has the barest nod been given to the escalation in drug-related violence.

What practical policy is hampering them?

I agree that more could be done, I'm questioning your theory that enforcement is a non concern.

Our people are out-gunned and out-numbered.

Bush's policy was no less incoherent, and I do not defend it - the difference, however, coincides entirely with Arizona's decision to act in it's own interest.
Bush's policy was/is pretty much the same one that exists today, Obama just carried it over. Given that due to the economic crash illegal immigration had been shrinking during the latter Bush years, it was funnily coincidental that AZ decided to act during Obama's term and not during the Bush years.

Apparently deficits matter now too.
Btw-

Have you noticed the tremendous backlash over S.B. 1070 emanating from the businesses whose habit it is to hire illegals?
Can't say I've noticed any group in particular, but I'm all for cracking down on employers.

To answer your other question, I have no problem whatsoever with the 1st Amendment, but, as there are exceptions to everything, I would point out that NAMBLA should qualify, if anything else does.

Now - as to your penchant for leading things off-topic, that will be the last of that.

Show us your attention-span is longer than 30 seconds, eh?

You introduced NAMBLA into the discussion, not me.

True enough; however, I was not the one who brought up the ACLU, so go talk to him and/or stfu.

[j2k4]

Just to clarify, SB1070 does not "mirror" the Federal Law. Besides other things, it makes "aiding" an "illegal" a criminal offense. This means that if happen to have family over my house, and they happen to be "illegal" I could be prosecuted for having them over my house. Something everyone seems to leave out of any equation is how this impacts the Latino family unit.

If the ICE somehow got wind of illegal aliens being housed illegally, and, upon investigation, found illegal aliens, then the illegal aliens should be detained. This would, of course, depend on reliable information.

Nothing unconstitutional there.

Now-

Can you tell me why, just because you are of a certain skin pigmentation, you should be exempted from a law that affects me the same way it does you?

They are directly targeting us. Banning Latino Studies isn't proof enough?

Could you save me some time (I'm cooking and preparing to eat my supper) and give me a link I can believe?

I mean, like, not Wikipedia?

[devilsadvocate]

You introduced NAMBLA into the discussion, not me.

True enough; however, I was not the one who brought up the ACLU, so go talk to him and/or stfu.

True you didn't introduce the ACLU, but the introduction was directly related to the thread topic. NAMBLA has no connection and was introduced by you to try to discredit the ACLU rather than dissect what the ACLU actually wrote on the topic.

[bigboab]

Is this thread veering off the topic and becoming personal? It is also threatening to become like texting with all the acronyms* that are being used. We are going to end up debating by just printing the alphabet.

On topic. It is the same in most countries. The illegal immigrants have found a way in. That is the fault of the (Federal) Governments, they are supposed to protect the national borders. Legalize the ones that are in and close the loopholes to prevent further influx. Otherwise every western country will go down the tube by having too many citizens and too few jobs.

* Plus the fact I can't be jucked looking up the meanings.(colloquialism)

[j2k4]

I...close the loopholes to prevent further influx. Otherwise every western country will go down the tube by having too many citizens and too few jobs.

Leaving aside the issue of the illegal aliens extant - how do you propose we do this ^, Robert.

[bigboab]

An amnesty, in order to get them 'on the books' and paying taxes.

Sorry misread that. Bring back the troops that are fighting wars that they will not win and station them along the border areas. It will be cheaper than the cost of the wars that are making the U.S. the whipping boy of the world. with us a close second.

[j2k4]

Bring back the troops that are fighting wars that they will not win and station them along the border areas. It will be cheaper than the cost of the wars that are making the U.S. the whipping boy of the world. with us a close second.

No can do, sir.

Against all sorts of law; unconstitutional-ish.

[megabyteme]

If the ICE somehow got wind of illegal aliens being housed illegally, and, upon investigation, found illegal aliens, then the illegal aliens should be detained. This would, of course, depend on reliable information.

Nothing unconstitutional there.

Now-

Can you tell me why, just because you are of a certain skin pigmentation, you should be exempted from a law that affects me the same way it does you?

So, you are saying that if members of your family (brother, sister, children, cousin, aunt, uncle...) were accused of a non-violent offense, you would turn them away, and/or notify the authorities?

The point is, many legal Mexican-Americans have close Mexican relatives. Some live in the states...

Where are your loyalties- family, or to the state? It's a tough spot when you are forced to chose. However, I am certain many proud Americans still chose family first.

[j2k4]

So, you are saying that if members of your family (brother, sister, children, cousin, aunt, uncle...) were accused of a non-violent offense, you would turn them away, and/or notify the authorities?

Take a moment or three to consider the question you've asked in response to my post.

The point is, many legal Mexican-Americans have close Mexican relatives. Some live in the states...

That is most emphatically not the question.

Where are your loyalties- family, or to the state? It's a tough spot when you are forced to chose. However, I am certain many proud Americans still chose family first.

Loyalties?

The question is one of law and order, nothing more-or-less.

What you would do, what you think I would/should do...nothing whatsoever to do with the law.

[megabyteme]

You, and I, won't be put in a sticky legal situation because we have family to dinner. Mexican-Americans should NOT be, either. That is what we are saying.