Well, It's Official.

[MediaSlayer]

rat faced i'm not picking on you but can you please use less pronouns or be more clear. I'm talking about the notion that "Jews control the media" in an effort to find out if it exists, because I have never seen any 1st hand proof that it does. Where do Palastinians fit into that?

[Rat Faced]

The thread is about why Europeans think Israel is a threat to world peace..

If you want to talk jewish conspiracies again (which i have already stated do not exist, imho), feel free to bump your thread back up.

[MediaSlayer]

Let me be more clear. I started the thread to discuss the fact that an EU representative confirmed that Palastine is not a country. This was interesting to me, because many people talk about Israelis living on "stolen land" and about "Palastine". Then that story broke, confirming that Palastine is not a country. It would seem then, all the talk about "illegal occupation" would stop. Of course that representative's remarks could be taken several different ways, but nonetheless. Anyway, after that Billy Dean said this

Well I should think it's quite obvious! The actual result was 80% thought it was Israel, but the fucking jewish media rigged the result!

which brought up the subject of a "Jewish controlled media".

[Rat Faced]

Well, put it this way..

I put in Google the words:

EU Israel World Peace

No "Search for news" etc....you usually dont need it.

The only major UK media to have anything online, easily found by IT newbies, about this huge story is "The Gardian"

Where is the reports from The Sun (widest distribution), owned by Rupert Murdoch...or even The Times, that bastian of reporting for a couple of centuries...until Rupert Murdoch bought them out.

I havent seen any newspapers, or watched any TV.....but both these papers, and many others have their stories on the web...without need for special search criteria, usually.

We often quote them as sources.

In fact, out of all the millions of possible sources...I got 1 (one) page that mentioned it, the 2nd page etc were going back to news stories earlier in this year and previous years.

You have to actually instruct the engine to look for "news", on this one, to get any results....I have never had to do this before...ever.




Edit:

FINALLY...found some BBC coverage.

Unfortunately even the BBC, is scared to actually report this story, and are just quoting others.......

Press debates 'peace threat' poll


Arabic newspapers have warmly welcomed a recent EU survey suggesting that nearly 60% of Europeans regard Israel as the greatest threat to world peace.

Unlike Americans, Europeans have not been fooled by Israeli propaganda and see Israel for the aggressive state it really is, the papers say.

Reaction to the poll in Israeli papers, by contrast, ranged from angry rejection to calls for a change of policy towards the Palestinians.


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Something is moving in Europe. Indeed, the optimists can say the De Gaulle "project" - of a Europe free to make its own decisions from the Urals to the Atlantic - is no mere pipedream... The most significant indication of this qualitative shift is what is happening within the context of public opinion and not in official circles... This transformation in the European mindset indicates the beginning of the collapse of the appeasement of Israel which has lasted for decades.

Al-Ba'th - Syria


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The Zionists are angry because of what Europe said about them... It is odd that the Zionist killers are venting their anger on whoever reveals the truth about them to the world, yet they freely move about spreading whatever they wish - from misleading ideas to biased allegations - without censorship.

Al-Bayan - UAE


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To be precise, this survey was not surprising in the light of the aggressive policies which Israel has practised for years, especially since Ariel Sharon came to power... The result of this survey should ring a alarm bell for Israelis. Those voices in Israel claiming that others are anti-Semitic should review Israel's aggressive policies instead.

Al-Ahram - Egypt


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The significance of the poll is that it reflects a predominant European view that is free in its choices... It promises a major qualitative transformation. It is up to us to benefit from it by engaging in dialogue and cooperation with those other Europeans who miss the facts.

Al-Thawrah - Syria (commentary by Khalid al-Shahab)


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This time round the US-Zionists are annoyed about the dissemination of the European public opinion survey which affirms that the Zionist entity is the greatest danger to world peace, and that the Americans, with their wars all over the place, are no model of security and are a threat to humanity.

Al-Vefagh - Iran (in Arabic)


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The European public has not been fooled by Israel's powerful propaganda machine... Israel's outrage at the results of the poll was as hypocritical as it was futile. Europeans have rated the Jewish state below many "rogue states"... not because they are anti-Semitic, but because they have realized that Israel has been oppressing and repressing in violence and blood the legitimate aspirations of a nation fighting for its right to self-determination and independence.

Jordan Times


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This arrow is one of many - if it is all right for Israeli pilots, journalists, and politicians to criticise the essence of the occupation and its policy, then why is it forbidden for others? Israel is an outcast state because it is the last occupying country in the world.

Al-Ayyam - Palestinian


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Europe, two generations after World War II and the Jewish Holocaust, is not sympathetic to Israel. The old image of a people's state recovering from a terrible disaster and defending itself against greater forces has given way to the image of an oppressive occupying power that fights to hold onto land that doesn't belong to it. Instead of complaining about ignorance and anti-Semitism, Israel should be improving both its policies and the way they are reflected in public opinion.

Ha'aretz - Israel


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It seems that whoever ordered the poll sought a certificate of approval for a very certain type of European foreign policy. But the reply Brussels received was... a boomerang in the face of those who financed it. The poll will be remembered as another landmark in the abyss towards which Israel-Europe relations are galloping, and another justification for keeping the continent from the political process it so eagerly wants to take part in.

Ma'ariv - Israel


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Ironically, the same poll found that 81 per cent of Europeans thought the EU should become more involved in Middle East peacemaking efforts... Obviously, such polls confirm every Israeli instinct about the need to keep Europeans as far away from any position of diplomatic influence as possible. Memo to Europe: demonizing a democracy under attack is no way to win friends and influence people.

Jerusalem Post - Israel

[MediaSlayer]

Here is the definition of the word "controlled" according to www.dictionary.com

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5 entries found for controlled.
con·trol ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-trl)
tr.v. con·trolled, con·trol·ling, con·trols
1. To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct. See Synonyms at conduct.
2. To adjust to a requirement; regulate: controlled trading on the stock market; controls the flow of water.
3. To hold in restraint; check: struggled to control my temper.
4. To reduce or prevent the spread of: control insects; controlled the fire by dousing it with water.

5.
a. To verify or regulate (a scientific experiment) by conducting a parallel experiment or by comparing with another standard.
b. To verify (an account, for example) by using a duplicate register for comparison.

n.
1. Authority or ability to manage or direct: lost control of the skidding car; the leaders in control of the country.

2.
a. One that controls; a controlling agent, device, or organization.
b. An instrument or set of instruments used to operate, regulate, or guide a machine or vehicle. Often used in the plural.
3. A restraining device, measure, or limit; a curb: a control on prices; price controls.

4.
a. A standard of comparison for checking or verifying the results of an experiment.
b. An individual or group used as a standard of comparison in a control experiment.
5. An intelligence agent who supervises or instructs another agent.
6. A spirit presumed to speak or act through a medium.


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[Middle English controllen, from Anglo-Norman contreroller, from Medieval Latin contrrotulre, to check by duplicate register, from contrrotulus, duplicate register : Latin contr-, contra- + Latin rotulus, roll, diminutive of rota, wheel; see ret- in Indo-European Roots.]

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The reason I posted this is because I think we might be arguing about diction, not principles. When people say "Jews control the media" that makes me think of the first definition listed above. I don&#39;t think this is a black and white issue. I don&#39;t believe any race or group has 100% control of the media. Do I think Jews have influence over it? Yes. How much influence? <50%, which is not a majority, therefore I don&#39;t think they "control" the media.

[Rat Faced]

You need substantialy less than 50% to have a controlling interest in any company that is on the Stock Market.

In addition, any commercial enterprise will not last long if they piss off the advertisers...


I agree its not black and white.... but its even more suptle than the definition of "Controlling"...... and im not into the Jewish conspiracy theory

[MediaSlayer]

agreed

[Billy_Dean]

Where to start ...

Country: # A region, territory, or large tract of land distinguishable by features of topography, biology, or culture:

State: # Of or relating to a body politic or to an internally autonomous territorial or political unit constituting a federation under one government:

Palestine is a country, peopled by Palestinians.

Let me be more clear. I started the thread to discuss the fact that an EU representative confirmed that Palastine is not a country. This was interesting to me, because many people talk about Israelis living on "stolen land" and about "Palastine". Then that story broke, confirming that Palastine is not a country. It would seem then, all the talk about "illegal occupation" would stop. Of course that representative&#39;s remarks could be taken several different ways, but nonetheless.

One person&#39;s flippant remark is not confirmation.

Palestine was, until WW1, a part of the Ottoman empire. In 1947 Britain, who held the mandate over Palestine following the defeat of Turkey in WW1, informed the UN that it was giving up it&#39;s mandate and moving out of Palestine, and handing power to Jewish and Arab majorities.

1948 -- March 10: British House of Commons votes on ending the mandate on May 15. The Haganah drafts "Plan Dalet" (Dalet is Hebrew for D) for military operations in Palestine.
- March 18: American president, Truman, receives Chaim Weizman and promises to support the declaration of the Jewish State on May 15.
- March 19 - 20: USA representative in the Security Council asks it to suspend the partition plan and calls for a General Assembly session to discuss a trusteeship on Palestine. Arabs accepted a limited one with a truce conditioned by Jewish acceptance. The Jewish Agency rejected.
- March 25: Truman calls for an immediate truce, announces willingness to participate in temporary trusteeship
- March 30 - May 15: 2nd coastal cleansing operation by the Haganah against Palestinians between Haifa and Yafa.
- April 1: First arms shipment to Jewish organizations lands in Haifa, more in air cargo. Security Council calls for a General Assembly session according to US suggestion.
- April 4: The Haganah starts executing "Plan Dalet (D)".
- April 4 - 15: Battle of Mishmar Ha &#39;Emeq. Haganah wins and Palmach occupies villages in the plains of marj bin Aamer
- April 6 - 15: Operation Nachshon (first part of Dalet Plan). Villages and towns on the Jerusalem - Tel Aviv road fell to Haganah.
- April 8: Abdur Qadir Husseini dies in counter offensive to restore al-Qastal (near Jerusalem)
- April 9: Deir Yassin massacre. Irgon and Stern terrorists kill 250 civilians in this village in Jerusalem district
- April 12: General Zionist Council decides to establish an independent state in Palestine on May 16.
- April 20: Operation Hariel of Plan Dalet. Palestinian villages on Jerusalem road targeted and destroyed. Continues till May 15.
- April 15 - May 25: Operation Yiftah captures Safad and uses psychological war to expel Palestinians. Operation Sweeper drives bedouins to Jordan River.
- April 16 - 17: Golani and Palmach units occupy Tabariyya (Tiberias) after British forces leave. Palestinian residents leave.
- April 17: Security Council calls for a military and political truce.

By this time, the jewish plan to take over the whole of Palestine was in full swing.

This all took place in Palestine, the UN declarations, British mandates etc. were all in regards to Palestine, not a swathe of unoccupied desert, but a country and a people, Palestinians. UN resolutions since, and to this day, recognise the right of Palestinians to self determination, and to the right of the state of Palestine to exist.

If the Israelis are notorious human rights violators wouldn&#39;t some of those violations involve people on this forum? I have met many Israelis and didn&#39;t notice anything out of the ordinary about them. If they are murderers, wouldn&#39;t they murder outside their homeland as well? Israelis living in Europe, for example. Are they killing Europeans left and right?

Subtitute Germans for Israelis and you have a denial of Nazi culpability in WW2.

For your information, I don&#39;t watch TV, and I am not, unlike you, brainwashed. I have also been to Israel, I doubt you have.

Anyway, after that Billy Dean said this ..

Well I should think it&#39;s quite obvious&#33; The actual result was 80% thought it was Israel, but the fucking jewish media rigged the result&#33;

For a people well known for their comedians, you sure are slow to spot a joke&#33;

[MediaSlayer]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@6 November 2003 - 05:50
One person&#39;s flippant remark is not confirmation.

Yeah, I know it pains you that they said it, but that&#39;s life.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by MediaSlayer+6 November 2003 - 16:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MediaSlayer @ 6 November 2003 - 16:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean@6 November 2003 - 05:50
One person&#39;s flippant remark is not confirmation.

Yeah, I know it pains you that they said it, but that&#39;s life. [/b][/quote]
It doesn&#39;t pain me at all. It&#39;s just not true, Palestine is a country, soon to be a state. One person saying something does not make it a fact.

Why don&#39;t you comment about my other points, or is that too painful for you?