IMAGiNE

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@ringhunter
Someone/A group releasing exclusive rips or he/she/them being internal encoders where membership is restricted to some is not the main cause of all this hate here,now is it?The problem is when these people go around restricting the members from sharing these release with others they want to share it with.Wanting so badly to be the "Scene in p2p"?

[P2PDog]

I'm not making fun at you, or arguing for the sake of arguing, but name me one such P2P group that is in high demand. IMAGiNE, FLAWL3SS, ViSiON and all the HD groups (again, that are established and are not trying to get their name out by any means) all conform to eschewing their releases from making it to the mass collection of the masses. Otherwise, they wouldn't be private/tracker-exclusive groups, would they?

I see a lot of groups that consider certain sites their "home", and so their releases are called "exclusive" to that site since it's where they're posted first, but those releases are spread far and wide once they're posted on said sites, and I don't see any attempt to control that from happening from a majority of the well-known groups. Maybe I've missed all the "Don't share our releases anywhere" messages from those major groups?

[deadalive1]

The same can be said that you know it isn't absolute truth how? Because a bunch of people who hate on the drop of a hat said so?

[IdolEyes787]

The same can be said that you know it isn't absolute truth how? Because a bunch of people who hate on the drop of a hat said so?

Sorry but I fail to see where I said that I believed anything on either side? Much in the same way that I fail to see where I have said anything negative against the site.

My entire input on the matter was on the fact that Fatal and the guy from imagine came off (not even saying that they are) as arrogant , spiteful ,immature teens .
Kinda like you are now.

[deadalive1]

I didn't say you said you believed one way or the other, I was just showing the other side of that statement. If one is not believable then the other isn't as well. I'm not going to feed into this obsession to try and bait people either so you might as well quit now. All I am saying is no-one can know with 100% surety one way or the other (except the person involved of course).

[IdolEyes787]

I didn't say you said you believed one way or the other, I was just showing the other side of that statement. If one is not believable then the other isn't as well. I'm not going to feed into this obsession to try and bait people either so you might as well quit now. All I am saying is no-one can know with 100% surety one way or the other (except the person involved of course).

Umm that, in not so many words, is what I sort of said in the first place.
Sorry for what you presume to be baiting btw.Maybe it is but in this instance it was a simple defense of my point with an necessary insult added for no particular reason.

Wait that's baiting isn't it?
Oh well to paraphase Lytton paraphrasing Shakespeare "Boredom makes strange bedfellows".

[Quarterquack]

And you know this as absolute truth how?Because someone on the internet told you?
OK fine .

Deadalive1 beat me to it. There is no way to prove either the staff or a random person did it, but it stands to reason that under the absence of proof, neither should be accused. I don't understand why people readily jump ship and say the staffers contacted FSF, when it's just as likely another random member did with the myriad of information in this thread. If someone points a finger, they better have some evidence/backing to their argument, and so far, everyone in this thread that has accused their staff of promoting their own website has failed to provide any such items of interest.

@ringhunter
Someone/A group releasing exclusive rips or he/she/them being internal encoders where membership is restricted to some is not the main cause of all this hate here,now is it?The problem is when these people go around restricting the members from sharing these release with others they want to share it with.Wanting so badly to be the "Scene in p2p"?

You and I won't see eye to eye on this particular case. I have a giant list of reasons for it, but safe to say, I belong to the "uploaders risk their social liberty to get stuff out to us, we should respect the rules they set on the material" camp. Many a country have no laws on downloading, but they do restrict uploading etc. As such, I've always deemed it the lowest possible form of gratitude to respect an uploader's wish to maintain exclusives where they were released/intended for. There is nothing wrong with that outlook, and if you truly think there is, then ask yourself why the FLAC ripping scene hasn't been torn apart by people scrambling/racing around the rips. With the exception of W&W, every DDL board/tracker/blog maintains its own releases, with very few examples shown where exclusivity was questioned/the request of the uploader was ignored. It isn't about being "scene in p2p" or going against the fundamentals the protocol was based on, it's more about respect/and knowing the value of one's word and putting the security of those who need it (but risk it) as a priority. If you find that inane, that's your opinion, but why deprive someone who values such things of his only wish?

I see a lot of groups that consider certain sites their "home", and so their releases are called "exclusive" to that site since it's where they're posted first, but those releases are spread far and wide once they're posted on said sites, and I don't see any attempt to control that from happening from a majority of the well-known groups. Maybe I've missed all the "Don't share our releases anywhere" messages from those major groups?

You and I both know that it's much harder to police larger trackers/swarms, especially when a lot of them don't have a single initial seeder. However, I do agree with you that generally no effort is put forth in stopping the spread/racing of P2P releases around. I still don't see why people think it's such a breaking point when a group decides to change a very insignificant part of their illicit actions to better suit themselves. You will still be getting the releases you have always intended to hunt down, you just won't be getting some that you weren't going to get anyway.

Above all, I will repeat this again. They are not trying to be 1337/hidden/stop people from getting their content. They actually have recruitment/interview debates going on in the forums, because they genuinely want to share their files, but they value security. Surely everyone can argue that once you put something on the internet, it's a privacy travesty waiting to occur, but at the same time, there's nothing wrong with wanting the best of both worlds when it comes to a healthily sized member-base as well as a secure one. If any person finds such a concept unappealing, said person might want to reconsider where they choose to argue this point.

[A]

If you find that inane, that's your opinion, but why deprive someone who values such things of his only wish?

So you will respect the wishes of the uploader who gives you stuff for free and you will dis-respect the wishes of companies that produces the original stuff.It seems you will do anything if you get shit for free.
MPAA/RIAA/Companies restricts us from sharing the files with others,These release groups restricts us from sharing the files with others.hmmm interesting ...

I say every uploader should have these policies so that they can be "safe".Like that p2p will be an awesome place where we can get files from gazillion places so that "security" is maintained.I always wondered why aXXo was never caught or for that matter was any p2p group ever caught?Oh wait their releases were available only in secret hidden sites and never ever publically shared,Silly me.

[P2PDog]

If an encoder/uploader thinks that the miniscule amount of effort he puts into encoding a release somehow gives him ownership of a piece of work, and/or more rights than the original creator of that piece of work, then he's an idiot, plain and simple. And, if he's not willing to accept the risk of sharing his work, then he should find something else to occupy his time other than stealing from others and trying to claim it as his own. P2P is about sharing, not creating exclusive little kidz klubs where adolescents can feed their fragile egos.

[bumrocks]

This is so blown out of proportion...Many many sites have their own encoding team/group and ask that they not be uploaded elsewhere. AND most of those same sites don't allow you to upload those other groups encodes, out of respect for the other site, to there own site. Imagine isn't trying to keep others from their stuff. Virtually all their stuff goes everywhere. They simply want to keep a few things in house as something "special" or unique for their site. I have no idea why so many have issue with this...wtf?