IMAGiNE

[mohamedkamal]

thank u

[osamakamal]

thank u

[n00bz0r]

thank u

mohamedkamal is yer cousin, right?

The mean IQ of FST went down by a couple of decimal points when you signed up.

[Quarterquack]

ringhunter; It's a fact that this p2p group is going against the whole ideology of p2p, why bother?

No, I disagree. They've done nothing wrong thus far. They opened a tracker in the spirit of P2P and legitimately had plans to open signups to the public. A lot of trackers do this before their release, whereby they invite friends of staffers in order to gain a little activity/set a theme for the community before they open up the doors to the masses (examples can be ScP, BTN, CN, need I go on?). What they were met with, was a barrage of insults, dos attacks, and people misconstruing their every word/intention (the same that happened to overseed.me a lifetime ago). Whether you believe it or not, anyone, even yourself, when met with the ugly side of things, will shy away and choose to avoid it.

Either way, I never saw any mention of them not supporting P2P at large. They just chose to have this one site as a "private dump" if you will, and they consistently give members invites so they can invite their friends/people who want to get in. I'm not the greatest seeder ever, but I'll be giving invites to people who I wouldn't consider "close" to me online, and I doubt the staffers will mind. Sharing their files in a secure place is their priority, and I doubt anyone can have a problem with that. Will some files leak? Naturally. Will the URL keep getting exposed? Sure, even sites that had a whole team of people to avoid public mention failed. But you know what? They still do what they can and want to, and everything else will fall into its right place.

And looks like they will give a new definition of p2p

Euthanize yourself.

So now we have:

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PeerToPeer
PeerAgainstPeer

Night, I've always thought you were a reasonable person. Don't be fooled with the way things appear to be like. They're not trying to be 1337 or ignore the "p2p community" demands or anything of the sort. They just had a rough start (this thread being a great example) and want to avoid the issues/woes of public attention from here on out. Invites are still relatively easy to get and the rules are lax on how to hand them out (obviously some responsibility when doing so is required, as is the case with any tracker). They aren't going PAP, and aren't going to close down in the foreseeable future from the support they're getting, they aren't going to rage quit the entire ordeal, but they also aren't going to succumb to a bunch of e-bullies and trash talk in order to give idiots what they want. There's nothing wrong with a stance like that.

[P2PDog]

Since when has the "spirit of P2P" included stealing something someone else took hundreds of hours to create, running it through some software to modify it slightly then calling it your own and deeming it to be "exclusive" to a site where a "select few" have access to it and demanding that it not be shared anywhere else? Is that really what P2P is about nowadays?

I also find it very hard to feel sorry for people who don't like all the "negative" attention they're getting when it was they who sought out that attention in the first place.

[Quarterquack]

Since when has the "spirit of P2P" included stealing something someone else took hundreds of hours to create, running it through some software to modify it slightly then calling it your own and deeming it to be "exclusive" to a site where a "select few" have access to it and demanding that it not be shared anywhere else? Is that really what P2P is about nowadays?

I also find it very hard to feel sorry for people who don't like all the "negative" attention they're getting when it was they who sought out that attention in the first place.

That's the way it's been in the cam/ts/dvdrip/encode side of things for ages. Sceners and P2P'ers alike are dealing with this inane demand of presets and retarded settings. By the sheer volume of participants in this thread alone you can tell that people actually "care" (for lack of a better word) about those releases. And while it is a tried argument, whether you believe it or not, we all steal shit from some place, do little to no modifications to it, then label it as our own, while expecting "uploader rights", "uploader privacy", and a nice secretive place to share those files (try private trackers at large, and not simply focusing on this one oddity).

They never sought out the attention. That's another misconception. A random guy emailed FSF, and Fatal (who I am not sure whether he continues to staff there or not) just wanted to give the opportunity to members who would have never seen the tracker in the first place/beta stage etc. and allow them in helping create it. In both of those cases, there was no cry for attention by the staff, at all. In fact they just wanted to do their own thing until time for the announcement/open signups was right. Obviously that will never be consolidated now, but you can't possibly expect a website that was exposed in an alpha stage (take attainthe.net as a second example) to open its doors to the very populace that harassed it.

[P2PDog]

No, we don't all do that at all. In fact most P2P groups that I've encountered are more than happy to have their releases shared by as many people as possible. The TRUE P2P groups, that is, not the bands of kids looking for an ego boost.

[IdolEyes787]

They never sought out the attention. That's another misconception. A random guy emailed FSF, and Fatal (who I am not sure whether he continues to staff there or not) just wanted to give the opportunity to members who would have never seen the tracker in the first place/beta stage etc. and allow them in helping create it. In both of those cases, there was no cry for attention by the staff, at all. In fact they just wanted to do their own thing until time for the announcement/open signups was right. Obviously that will never be consolidated now, but you can't possibly expect a website that was exposed in an alpha stage (take attainthe.net as a second example) to open its doors to the very populace that harassed it.

I might be confused on this point but didn't one of their staff formally contact FileSharef with all the details ? I don't think that you can not "not " seek out attention much more than that.
Btw I don't care one way or the other except to the extent of people bending the facts to suit their "cause" .
That isn't purposeful calumny you know.

[Quarterquack]

No, we don't all do that at all. In fact most P2P groups that I've encountered are more than happy to have their releases shared by as many people as possible. The TRUE P2P groups, that is, not the bands of kids looking for an ego boost.

I'm not making fun at you, or arguing for the sake of arguing, but name me one such P2P group that is in high demand. IMAGiNE, FLAWL3SS, ViSiON and all the HD groups (again, that are established and are not trying to get their name out by any means) all conform to eschewing their releases from making it to the mass collection of the masses. Otherwise, they wouldn't be private/tracker-exclusive groups, would they?

They never sought out the attention. That's another misconception. A random guy emailed FSF

I might be confused on this point but didn't one of their staff formally contact FileSharef with all the details ? I don't think that you can not "not " seek out attention much more than that.
Btw I don't care one way or the other except to the extent of people bending the facts to suit their "cause" .
That isn't purposeful calumny you know.

The irony is staggering. The very fact that someone contacted FSF is a fact bent to suit some prepubescent teen's cause to cause disruption. None of the staff contacted filesharefr, it was just a random member that wanted to appear heroic somehow by exposing the website. Funnily enough, he never owned up to it, which just highlights his maturity level.

[IdolEyes787]

The irony is staggering. The very fact that someone contacted FSF is a fact bent to suit some prepubescent teen's cause to cause disruption. None of the staff contacted filesharefr, it was just a random member that wanted to appear heroic somehow by exposing the website. Funnily enough, he never owned up to it, which just highlights his maturity level.

And you know this as absolute truth how?Because someone on the internet told you?
OK fine .