Vegan Or Vegetarian?

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by summerlinda+5 November 2003 - 01:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda &#064; 5 November 2003 - 01:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 02:06
Well since its already being killed and turned into burgers or whatever, if you eat it or not its not going to change the fact that its dead.

Why waste the food ?

Its not like you killed the cow your self to feel bad about it.

If you dont eat it some one else will.

That, in fact, is the best thing said in this discussion, give the man some flowers... ow wait, i&#39;ll do it myself&#33; Here you go: [/b][/quote]
The reason is, that by consuming meat, you are also responsible for the killing of that creature. If you don&#39;t eat meat then they are killed for others. That&#39;s all.

[summerlinda]

Originally posted by nigel123@5 November 2003 - 02:16

The reason is, that by consuming meat, you are also responsible for the killing of that creature. If you don&#39;t eat meat then they are killed for others. That&#39;s all.

Ahhh i know what you are at, you want flowers to eh?

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by summerlinda+5 November 2003 - 01:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 5 November 2003 - 01:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nigel123@5 November 2003 - 02:16

The reason is, that by consuming meat, you are also responsible for the killing of that creature. If you don&#39;t eat meat then they are killed for others. That&#39;s all.

Ahhh i know what you are at, you want flowers to eh? [/b][/quote]
Natuurlijk&#33;

[Evil Gemini]

Yeah but imagine all the meat that goes overdue because they didnt sell enough and then they just throw the meat away.

I would feel more bad about an animal dying for nothing.

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 01:32
Yeah but imagine all the meat that goes overdue because they didnt sell enough and then they just throw the meat away.

I would feel more bad about an animal dying for nothing.

It&#39;s really a question of demand and supply. No demand, then slowly but surely no killing.

[blackhatknight]

Originally posted by neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 01:32
Yeah but imagine all the meat that goes overdue because they didnt sell enough and then they just throw the meat away.

I would feel more bad about an animal dying for nothing.

is it worth noting that in europen we have the "mountains of food" great big warhouses full of the stuff as a result of C.A.P. , (which i feel should be removed), however it is used as charitable donations when it reaches the point of overkill, with there most recent donation being steak in gravy

[leonidas]

You see you started the post with the question i don&#39;t know what to do, now you&#39;ve went and pissed me off lol, i&#39;ll be rawer if you want???

When their are people starving in the world (and i&#39;ve seen it first hand) you are previlaged you have s choice on what you want to eat, most vegiterians make such a strong stand of what is on the scope of things a trivial matter, there is a life and death cycle and your life will inevitably cause death (though hopefully not to other humans), vegitarianism is to me a self indulgence, half assed stance on how placid one is and how immoral the death and ill treatment of animals is,

what i say is if your going to do to do it, do it right, i encountered a tribe one time that did not believe in killing anything, they wore masks over there faces incase they breathed in insects, and swept the path in front of them in case they should stand on and consequently kill anything, if you truly want to make a stand make it, no one, worth their salt, cares about half assed attempts like vegitarianism

After taking in the dietry requirement of vegitarians i am tempted to ask if they would return the favour and make a courtesy call before i attend their dinner for large rare 12 oz steak

I didn&#39;t mean to be rude.
My purpose is not to act the perfect way, but to do my best as long as I can have a pleasant life. That&#39;s why I don&#39;t care if I eat a insect :x , or if I crush one under my foot by inadvertency. I just think they are in another dimension. But damn&#33; animals we eat are just like us in so many ways. I&#39;ve heard a pig has a 30 minutes orgasm&#33;&#33; How can you kill such an animal. Horses & dogs are feeling good with us.
It was really and it&#39;s still not a problem for me to not eating meat. But now without cheese milk and eggs, I&#39;m quite starving. Here is my problem.

I should actually have asked this question at the beguinig of this thread: Do you think veegans are right saying that eating milk and other milky products contributes indirectly to the killing of cows and calves ?
I quote myself here so that people can now what I&#39;m talking about:

I know It looks stupid for most people not even to drink milk.

But the point is that a cow is animal suposed to live about 20 years, but as their milk production slow down when they reach the age of 5 years, they are just killed in order to be eaten. In addition if you want a cow to give you milk, she must have a veal to provoque the milk production, and the argument of vegans is: the veal industry is prolific because of that

[Pitbul]

when a calf is born on a ranch we feed it and nurture it, once it is healthy enough we take back what we have given it by it now feeding us. with a milking cow we feed it to be nice and healthy in return it gives us milk that feeds us and makes our bones stronger, its called the circle of life as cheesey as that sounds, as far as i know Jesus ate meat so do i, im 16 but when i was 14 and 15 i got my first job on a farm, feeding and taking care of cows, even the calfs i would help give shots and medication if they were ill, even help the birth process (which i learned you have to have a decent stomach to handle) so i guess i gains a mutual respect when ever i eat meat now, cause i&#39;d take care of them, in return they&#39;d feed me. i&#39;d even kill the Coyotes who would try and pick off the Calf&#39;s, i dont take for granted the meat i eat so i have no problem.

[UKMan]

Originally posted by Pitbul@5 November 2003 - 19:40
when a calf is born on a ranch we feed it and nurture it, once it is healthy enough we take back what we have given it by it now feeding us. with a milking cow we feed it to be nice and healthy in return it gives us milk that feeds us and makes our bones stronger, its called the circle of life as cheesey as that sounds, as far as i know Jesus ate meat so do i, im 16 but when i was 14 and 15 i got my first job on a farm, feeding and taking care of cows, even the calfs i would help give shots and medication if they were ill, even help the birth process (which i learned you have to have a decent stomach to handle) so i guess i gains a mutual respect when ever i eat meat now, cause i&#39;d take care of them, in return they&#39;d feed me. i&#39;d even kill the Coyotes who would try and pick off the Calf&#39;s, i dont take for granted the meat i eat so i have no problem.

Your points of view are very sound (IMHO) and what i suppose it boils down to is how you respect nature, how you respect animals and how you respect life. Dont take things for granted (as you so wisely said) and above all - give thanks to what we have.

Peace
UKMan

[Evil Gemini]

But now without cheese milk and eggs, I&#39;m quite starving. Here is my problem.

You should just stick to what you usually eat. You cant just stop eating eggs and drinking milk just like that, you will get sick.

You said it your self, you are starving.

Do you think vegans are right saying that eating milk and other milky products contributes indirectly to the killing of cows and calves ?

No i dont think that they are "right". It sounds like these people are giving out a message that if you eat meat you are a bad person.

You should stop listening to these ppl and listen to your stomach.

Trust me their is nothing wrong with eating eggs or drinking milk.