Announcement for Giganews and NewsDemon Users, Please Read

[SonsOfLiberty]

I've been getting this question and moaning a lot and I do mean a lot

People seem to think that we "add bad NZB's to the index or that I/uploaders add NZB's that are no longer available by there provider...we do not do this, all files are there and it's YOUR PROVIDER NOT OUR NZB'S!

Lets' start here, any Giganews user and any resellers of Giganews (maybe someone can post the other providers, I'm unsure of them at the moment)and any users of NewsDemon (and if resellers to), will ALWAYS DELETE HBO/SHOWTIME SHOWS THE NEXT DAY...maybe even games/movies/music to, unsure of this...

It is a "KNOWN" FACTthat Giganews and NewsDemon will delete, True Blood, Hung, Entourage the very next day and you will get 'article not found' this is not FST's fault but your providers fault, so quit blaming us and blame your provider for deleting them, after all it is copyrighted content, and those 2 companies abide by those taken down notices.

Now this is not a attack on either of these companies what so ever, they just delete a lot of content, so if you like HBO shows, you better have another provider or wait from some nice person to repost it days/weeks later and then get deleted the next day again....also, like I said, any HBO/ShowTime show old/new will be deleted very very quickly, some may slip through the cracks but not many.

Try Astraweb, it's only $11/month, unlimited, free SSL, etc...20 connections, etc....

http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11.html

[hdjunky]

Newsdemon sucks anyways. If you are going to use that service better off using Ngroups instead.

Do they actually delete them all or do they just delete blocks so it isnt repairable? Would a backup account help give the missing blocks at all?

[Hypatia]

Im not flaming and all but Ive personally checked lots of True Blood releases(ive searched\created nzbs via newsleecher ) recently with nzb download checker. And the funny thing is: they are not deleted completely at all.

In 99% of cases its like this: nzb, small par2 files and probably sfv are deleted, all other rars and PArs are there but lack just 1-2 parts each sometimes even no parts missing at all in some rars meaning its easy to repair in 90%.
I dunno why is that. And i seriously doubt that they have been deleted since it seems to me quite a strange way of cleaning this "mess" =).
To be honest it looks exactly like when i used to upload stuff via astraweb and had severe problems with completion(thats why i switched back to giga)

I still have to find myself in a situation where i cant get TV shows from giganews.

Anyways id advise folks to check "suspicious" NZBS first in nzb download checker so they wont have to go through the painfull process of setting up a queue of stuff to be downloaded, getting articles and then realising that they cant be repaired))

[Skiz]

It is a "KNOWN" FACTthat Giganews and NewsDemon will delete, True Blood, Hung, Entourage the very next day and you will get 'article not found' this is not FST's fault but your providers fault, so quit blaming us and blame your provider for deleting them, after all it is copyrighted content, and those 2 companies abide by those taken down notices.

"Known fact"? Says who?

I watch all three of those shows and have never, not one single time, been unable to complete them normally with Giganews. I also rarely download them within 24 hours of the release so that's not it either. Nearly every time I download one of those shows it is 24+ hours later.

Just last night I downloaded all three episodes of this seasons Hung from NZBs I downloaded here on FST and did not encounter a single problem. I also grabbed the latest True Blood from this past Sunday, again, without any trouble of any kind.

Who is saying they are having problems?

[RainmakerRaw]

I've just spent some time checking, and you have to go back around a month (for 720p hdtv rips) to find DMCA'd releases of this. Even then, as Hypatia says, it's only the first block missing - the rest are fine. Giga tend to follow the absolute letter of the DMCA, which means they remove the article IDs cited in DMCA take down notices, not the other posts related to them. From NZB Download Checker:

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Not ideal, I grant you; but hardly the doom and gloom espoused in the OP and definitely repairable. But yes, since Astra are an EU supplier and not subject to the DMCA per se (though international copyright laws tend to follow a similar suit), it is complete on Astra. Here's another one:

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Again, definitely DMCA'd, but not unfixable. It's hardly Giga's fault, they're just complying with the law. They'd not stay open long if they didn't. But I tend to agree, even though I've been a Giga customer for years, Astra can generally provide the same or better service for half the price. They're just not quite as reliable on the network front - and support is much slower than Giga's. Never the less, I'll likely be jumping over to Astra at the end of my current billing cycle as I'm seeing more of this lately.

[mysoogals]

anybody thought about bad peering between these usenet servers ?

[unoriginal]

Not ideal, I grant you; but hardly the doom and gloom espoused in the OP and definitely repairable. But yes, since Astra are an EU supplier and not subject to the DMCA per se (though international copyright laws tend to follow a similar suit), it is complete on Astra. Here's another one:

You know that Astraweb is based in San Jose, CA right? They may have an EU server farm but they are far from being EU based. This, unfortunately, makes them subject to the DMCA. But for some reason they don't seem to follow the takedown notices, or they just don't get them, the way the GN does.

I personally use Usenetnow and have never had any problems grabbing HBO or Showtime programs. Perhaps those that have issues should consider a small block account in addition to their regular provider to help fill in the gaps if they have any.

[RainmakerRaw]

You know that Astraweb is based in San Jose, CA right?

Heh, all these years I just figured Astra was EU based. Ah well. Plenty of other (definitely EU based) NSPs to look at, but none come close to Astra or Giga in retention. XSNews and Hitnews seem decent enough, just lacking in retention. Hitnews maxes out my 50 meg cable line with a mere 2 or 3 connections - something no other provider has managed to date. They just seriously need to catch up in the retention stakes. A couple of years ago 100-200 days retention on binaries was a big deal, but now? Not so much.

[jaymmmmmm]

I have noticed over the last few weeks things being removed on astraweb. Like stuff 200 days old which were always there before now have suddendly been removed due to DMCA and seems to be occurring with a lot more now. I guess astraweb have definatly stop dodging/started to comply with DMCA takedown requests now. You won't notice so much if your just a TV show guy but popular games and movies are missing on astra now. And just to make clear no where near and close to the amount of content that gets removed on giganews and highwinds servers but defiantly a noticeable amount now. People who say they don't notice them are the ones who download stuff when it first comes out. Try a popular game or movie over 20 days and chances are it's removed on giganews and highwinds servers and possibly even astraweb now unfortunately.

It was only a matter of time before it happened but sad to see usenet becoming like this now, guess more and more people will start switching to unheard of (now at least) dutch and other usenet providers who have their own servers.

[zot]

You know that Astraweb is based in San Jose, CA right?

Heh, all these years I just figured Astra was EU based. Ah well.

Astraweb's home office is in Singapore, and their server farms are located in San Diego and Amsterdam. I think the company is also still registered in Singapore, although this could easily change. (Usenet-news.net, owned by a Swede, has changed its official ("on paper") country of domicile several times already)

I can understand the confusion though. It's been a long time since Astraweb displayed their mailing address on the website. Although not operating under US DMCA law, Singapore is no pushover when it comes to copyright enforcement. The country has often been described as a police state with very tough laws in general, and I seem to recall one or two people even going to jail for ordinary file sharing.